How Do You Survive a High-Pressure Industry? Ask Kim Alexis

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Okay, so welcome to our podcast.

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This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.

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I'm really nervous to interview you, Kim Alexis.

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I really am.

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Uh-oh.

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In fact, so much so, I have to tell you a couple things that went into so far.

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Like my outfit today, I've changed three times.

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Um, I was so nervous.

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I met this woman, which you would probably love.

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She's from England, and she went to this um university of fashion or something in England.

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And I and what she does is does your colors.

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Have you heard of this before?

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I'm sure because you're in uh obviously, you know, one of the best.

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Are you a summer?

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Are you an autumn?

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I'm a soft autumn.

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Okay.

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Right?

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Okay.

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So, in fact, do you remember when we a couple like a couple hours ago I took a picture of you?

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I sent it to her.

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And I was like, Oh, I'm interviewing Kim Alexis right now.

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And she's like, Oh my god, the supermodel, my cat.

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And then she goes, Am I summer?

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I think I'm summer.

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I don't know where you are.

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You should you you should meet her.

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You would love her.

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She says, so I sent her this picture of you in this other office.

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She was gorgeous.

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You see how she's wearing color closest to her face and black away from her.

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You had the black away.

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Was that on purpose?

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No.

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That's a big hell no.

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No, no, no.

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No.

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Because I was like, no, because fashion, no.

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Sports, yes.

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Fitness, sports, anything.

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What do you mean fashion?

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No.

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You're like the big one of the biggest supermodels of all time.

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I didn't really, I grew up a um a tomboy.

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I never studied fashion.

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I didn't have any magazines.

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I didn't know how to pluck my eyebrows.

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I didn't know how to put makeup on, nothing.

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You were just beautiful and then discovered?

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I didn't know any of that.

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Well, did you have a can't get me to say that either.

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Did you grow up with brothers and sisters?

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I grew up with one sister.

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Older or younger?

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Younger.

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Okay.

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So how do you go from because you know you swam in high school, how do you how do you get discovered?

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How does that happen?

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It happens differently now for everybody because there's so many talent scouts out there or model scouts out there.

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And in fact, one of them went to my school when my son Bobby, my middle son, who's now 36, he came home from high school.

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He's like, Mom, there was this person here and she wants me to go and like be a model.

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I'm like, wait, give me that number.

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What do you mean?

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Like, if do you want a model?

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He's like, I don't know.

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They were talking about how great it is and how much money you can make.

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I'm like, wait a minute.

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Okay, let's talk about this.

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Do you want me to pursue this further?

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Because I will call people in New York.

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I can get you in wherever you want to go.

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You've never talked about it before.

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So I ended up calling that talent scout and she's doing the whole sales pitch or whatever they do, right?

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And finally I said, Do you know who I am?

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And I said my name.

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She's like, Oh, okay.

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And she hung up the phone.

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Was she a real?

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She was legit though?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay, because I think there's a lot of the weird things.

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So they get a commission from cute kids that sign up, and the modeling agencies pay money for you to do a portfolio and spend all this money with photography and have the book an eight by ten, not your little So you gotta you gotta pay.

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I remember you gotta pay photographers to do stuff for you.

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I didn't.

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So when I was a senior in high school, I early on in my senior year had already been enrolled.

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I thought I wanted to be a pharmacist.

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So I was enrolled at the University of Rhode Island.

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I was already on their swim team.

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So now it's the fall of my senior year.

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I've already got this handled, right?

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So I'm taking trigonometry, college calculus.

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I am um in the college in the the um marching band and the concert band.

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I'm swimming five and a half hours a day before school and after school.

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I'm working in a drugstore for$1.98 an hour.

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And so I thought, okay, well, I'd like to make a little bit more than$38 a week, which is my big paycheck.

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And so someone said, Well, you're pretty, you look like Sybil Shepard.

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I'm like, I don't know who that is, but what difference does that make?

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And they're like, Well, modeling, that, you know, you could make a lot of money modeling.

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I thought, okay, well, I wanted to make pocket change.

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So when I went to college, I didn't have to ask my dad.

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My dad was a chemical engineer and did very well, but I didn't want to be reliant on him.

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I wanted to be independent.

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So I in Buffalo in the winter, I enrolled.

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First, I went to try and get into the modeling agency to start making money.

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They were like, oh no, no, no, you have to go through this class first.

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So I had to, my mother spent like six or eight hundred bucks, wrote a check.

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Back then, this is 1978, it's like a charm school.

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And um went through this charm school, would literally show up with wet hair.

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So felt like a fish out of water because of swimming.

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Yes.

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And these girls were like, they were all done their thing and they were all dressed and they had their little portfolios and their bags and their makeup.

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And I'm like, what?

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Yeah, I didn't know any of that stuff, right?

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So one night this little guy's in the corner and he's like staring at me like this.

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And the owner of the whole agency calls me into her office.

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Now I walked in the way you're proper, the way you're supposed to walk in, and it's almost back.

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Remember the books on your head when you walk?

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It was almost that.

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So I walk in there, I think, she's gonna kick me out.

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She's gonna kick me out.

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I don't belong here, right?

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She's like, How would you like to go to New York City to model?

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I said, No, I'm gonna be a pharmacist.

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So I said no five times.

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I turned them down five times, like in the next one.

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Had you already taken pictures?

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Like they saw you on film.

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No, they just saw you in person, and they're like, Wow.

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Yep, I wouldn't let them take pictures because I'm like, why?

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I'm gonna be a pharmacist.

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So just your look.

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Right.

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Wow.

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So then he said, Let me just take pictures.

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So he takes pictures, I will show them to you later.

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They're hysterical.

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And my parents were on a cruise somewhere, so my grandmother's watching me, right?

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So I don't even know who did my hair.

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I had this big knot in my head and of this hair, like this rose in my hair from my hair.

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And I'm like, you know, doing these things, didn't know what I was doing.

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And he sent them to New York City.

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And John Casablancas had just come from Paris.

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He's breaking into New York City, he's competing with Eileen Ford.

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He wanted new bodies, new flesh.

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And so he literally made a Discover a model day, flew to Buffalo because he wanted to see me, and paraded me in front of those girls, offered me a contract, and those same girls that I thought that I didn't that I felt intimidated and didn't belong with now are looking at me like she got the contract.

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And all the girls, so John's sitting there, and he's had all the girls that had their books parade up with me next to him, and he'd see he'd look at their books to see, because that's what you do when you're looking for it's not demo tape, it's it's physical pictures, right?

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So he would look at those and he'd say, So what do you think of her?

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And I'm like, I don't know, she's pretty to me.

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I I don't know.

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But he didn't pick anyone else, he picked me.

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So then so I finished high school at 17, and then two days later went to New York, I turned 18 in July and went to New York City.

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Two days later was in Rome in Paris for the collections.

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And then four days later had my first magazine cover.

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What?

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What was the magazine cover?

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Italian Bazaar.

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What so what are your are your parents going, what's happening like I mean that so from when you went to to the the the the the meeting the first time to the magazine cover, is that two months?

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Is that so I went, I got John came to Buffalo in March, and then I graduated school at back in Buffalo where you graduate in June.

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But was he would he call call you?

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Hey, you're still in, right?

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You still excited about this, right?

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They're just making it.

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I think I signed a contract because he had to guarantee me money.

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My dad wanted a guarantee.

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He said she's skipping college, so he made them sign something that he would guarantee me a certain amount of money each week.

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So you go, you do the cover, and then what?

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It just I mean, you're no do you still go back home to Buffalo?

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Are you I did every couple so you first you do a lot of ghosts back then?

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We called them ghose, now they call them casting calls.

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Uh so you're traveling around New York City in the hot summer and you're going to all these different photography studios to show them your book.

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Well, all I had was like one or two little pictures or Polaroids, and that's how you started.

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They might have a job with Sears catalog, or they might have something somewhere and they needed they wanted to try a new girl.

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And that's how I started.

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So you would be in Sears?

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You were in everything?

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I don't know.

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I just Sears came out of my head.

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But pictures are just there's pictures.

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You do a deal, magazines buy your pictures, they're everywhere.

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Well, yeah.

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So the agency, they they would the photographer if he liked you.

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And many a times when you're going to meet them, the ones that kind of went like this and like, yeah, looking at your book, and they'd go like this and hand your book back without looking at you.

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Now, meanwhile, you've traveled all around New York City or in a subway or hot car or whatever it is, and you're all excited to show up there and like not.

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They don't give you the time of day.

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They don't give you the time of day, don't look you in the eye.

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Those are the ones that booked me.

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The ones that didn't book me are the ones, so, so how is it like?

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What are you doing?

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Where did you live?

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You know, once on.

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And I think it's because they felt bad because they dragged me all that way there.

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It seemed like the ones that did this, they already had their mind made up the second I walked in the door.

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Did you ever become friends with any of these people?

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Like later eventually photographers?

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No, the people that picked you, like the whoever the decision maker was, you eventually got to see them at different photo shoots and they knew uh not the agent.

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I mean, this is the agent that owned the agencies in Paris and New York, and then worked with the other ones in like Milan and Paris and stuff.

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So no, I mean, not friends.

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I mean, I've done documentaries with him.

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I did party, you'd go to parties and have all of his girls.

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At the time that you're doing this, is there anybody else that's well known doing what you're doing?

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Is there anybody you're looking up to that you met and you're like, oh, oh my God, you're you're a year ahead of me.

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What what am what am I what's next?

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Kind of, I kept my mouth shut and I cried a lot the first two years because I was so green and I felt like I didn't belong in the business.

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Oh, yes.

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Like you don't walk like that.

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It's fashion.

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Darling, what are you thinking?

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That's the big that's that's what you're doing.

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What are you thinking because of what you're wearing or because of the way you're all of it?

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They do this when you'd walk into a room and just look you up and down like did he ever say you need to do more squats or you need to not back in 1978.

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Right.

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No.

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But were there who were the other models in your world at the time that were doing that?

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So uh the ones you would know probably uh either I didn't a lot of times you were by yourself on a shoot.

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You know, you were by yourself on a booking.

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So I was by myself a lot.

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And every day you'd go to a different studio.

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Every day there would be different clients, every day there'd be different lunch and different everything.

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So you never got used to, oh, it's the same studio.

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I know it's gonna take me 18 minutes to get there.

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I can take the C train and you know, none of that because it was always a new place, a new time, new people.

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You didn't know if you're gonna have a great lunch or if you should have brought something with you.

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Is there a moment in your modeling career that stands out as an awesome moment?

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And then a moment that stands out that you're like, God, I get sick to my stomach when I think of that.

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Yeah, there was tons of them.

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Um best moment, probably when I got my first Vogue cover, and it took me a year to get that because then I felt like, oh, I think I made it.

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Yeah, vogue.

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I think I made it.

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I at that point turned down my college, and a year went by so fast.

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I'm like, wait, what do you mean?

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Like it's already September and they want to know if I'm coming back.

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So I'm about a moment where you cried and you were miserable and you came out.

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All the time.

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Really?

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It's that sad.

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All the time.

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You're like in the in the what we all think is glamorous and awesome, and it was For me, because I never dreamed of it.

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I didn't want to be a model.

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I didn't want to be in that business.

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I knew nothing about the business.

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I felt like it wasn't.

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I mean, you look at me and it's like fat high fashion is not at the top of my list.

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I dress very sporty and just love being comfortable and ready to run or move or do something.

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Were there any tricks in it?

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You know how like back in the day you say you put preparation age on your eyes?

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Was there any tricks in that modeling did back then?

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Well, back then we so you'd see other girls, they weren't be necessarily at your bookings with you, but you'd talk to them or whatever.

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And so they'd be like, Oh, I'm gonna try this cleanse or I'm gonna do this facial.

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And I'm like, wait, really, how?

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What do you do?

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And so we'd all learn from each other.

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Here I am, 18, and I'm like worried about wrinkles, you know.

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So, and take doing all these weird cleanses like lemon juice and vinegar or something awful.

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I remember that stuff.

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Yeah.

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So, what was the biggest modeling thing that happened to you?

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The cover vogue?

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I mean, and how many times that happened?

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Because you've been on more magazine covers like anybody in the world, I think, right?

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I've been on a lot.

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Um, I say one of my biggest modeling uh pivotal moments was probably signing my contract with Ultima 2.

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So I replaced Lauren Hutton as the Ultimate 2 girl for Revlon.

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Oh, Lauren Hutton with the little Yeah, yeah.

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So I was the girl after her.

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Now, did you ever pick her brain?

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Were you like No, I never met her.

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I've never met her.

00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:03.279
Wow.

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Are you at all in a group chat with all these extra supermodels?

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No, like I don't even know how to set up a group chat.

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You don't talk, do you talk to other the other people?

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Because there's so many famous models.

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I mean, you were like you were like I talked to some of some of the other girls.

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There's a couple that I keep in in contact with.

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Like when I think of the famous models, right?

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The supermodels, when did that start?

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Was it the 80s when the supermodels started?

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Well, it had to have started in the 70s.

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And guys would know it more from sports illustrated swimsuits, and those I think started in the 70s.

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But I remember like Cheryl Teague's see, because she did the Fishnet swimsuits.

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And then Farrah Fawcett and Cindy Crawford's and Cindy's younger.

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The Christy Turlington's and you and Paulina Horsakova.

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Yeah, her and Carol Alt.

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Carol Alt, yeah.

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And you're Carol, I'm having on my show in a couple weeks.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, yeah.

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So she's one I keep in touch with and I stay with her when we go to New York.

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Was there everybody anybody just one person that stands out to that was really mean to you?

00:14:01.759 --> 00:14:02.960
Oh, lots of people.

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But then there's not one.

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It's like, and you got revenge, or you like I'm not a revenge person.

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No, no, no.

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But I'm telling you, there was just a lot of instances.

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A lot of times it was your stylists, though they were the people that would pull the clothes, bring them on the rack, dress you, put on your earrings or whatever.

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Oops, sorry, whatever you were doing.

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And so uh they were just the mean ones.

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They'd be like, honey, maybe you shouldn't eat lunch today or something.

00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:31.519
So did you go on extreme diets?

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Because all this led to, I mean, you're like a health and fitness person now.

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Did you you what's the most extreme thing you did?

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Well, I did Atkins because back in 78 to go to New York.

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So when I when John Casablancas came in March in Buffalo to discover me and sign me, I'm finishing high school.

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But now he said before he left seven words that changed my life.

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You need to lose 15 pounds.

00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:57.039
Whoa.

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I was swimming five and a half hours a day.

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I'm five foot ten, 145 pounds of muscle, and I had to lose weight.

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So immediately in my mind, I'm like, I'm not good enough.

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I'm not good enough to go to New York.

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So he doesn't tell you how to do it.

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No, he says you need to lose 15 pounds in three.

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Back then in 78, all they had was Atkins, right?

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That's all that was out there.

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All the protein, the cheese, the meat, and get the batteries.

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And they're like, if you're hungry, have some bacon.

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I'm like, I don't want bacon, I want an apple.

00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:24.639
Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So you did that.

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Oh, yeah, I did that.

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So my sister would eat whatever she wanted, and I'd say, just breathe on me.

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So I would like smell like a cookie or whatever she was eating, right?

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Like, just let me smell.

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How long did you live with that diet lifestyle?

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I mean, you were a supermodel for how long?

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Uh that term wasn't out yet.

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Oh, it wasn't?

00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:51.919
No, that term took it's interesting if someone can trace back the first time it was ever used.

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I started July of 78, and I bet you the term came out in '84, '83, '84.

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And at this point, I'm already with Ultima 2.

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You're already one of the biggest models of all time.

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I mean, right, but we didn't know it.

00:16:04.639 --> 00:16:04.799
Right.

00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:12.399
Because there's no social media, and it was, I mean, it wasn't like you were counting each other's covers saying, oh, well, I got this.

00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:14.799
But are you making crazy money?

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I was making within that first year from seven uh from July through the end of the year, I made more money than my school teachers.

00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:31.360
Now I literally had graduated high school end of June go to New York City mid-July.

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So in three weeks, I went from having coaches, parents that I lived under, and teachers, right?

00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:43.759
Answering to them to all of a sudden living in New York City by myself at 18, doing whatever I wanted.

00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:44.559
Like an apartment?

00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:45.440
Like you had your own apartment?

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So we had a models apartment for three months until you could make enough money to go get your own.

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And I remember crying there because I didn't I was never alone before.

00:16:53.919 --> 00:16:55.279
I always had my mom and my sister.

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You had roommates?

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No, I didn't.

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I just had a studio apartment by myself.

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That's crazy.

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Is there has anyone pitched like a movie on your life or anything?

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And we even got we even got to the the other stuff, but I mean, like anything just that part seems so crazy.

00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:17.920
But the it's weird how you just I mean, I could have done anything, could have gone anywhere, right?

00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:21.839
Could have been, I was in the strangest, most bizarre situations.

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Your mother could never prepare you for.

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Like, if this happens, then you're in this thing in this studio here, and this guy does this.

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This is when you run.

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You didn't know those things.

00:17:31.599 --> 00:17:34.079
So you had stuff happen to you where guys I had lots of stuff happen.

00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:35.119
Well, what's something terrible?

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Like, what did a guy do to you?

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Like, what are you trying?

00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:38.559
They never got very far.

00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.240
I really realized quickly that I was gonna punch him in the face.

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And I grew up with just a sister, I didn't have brothers, I was never really physical, but I'm like, I'm not putting up with that shit.

00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:52.400
And guys, you know guys sense that in women, right?

00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.079
But I didn't know that at 18.

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I just knew I'm not doing that.

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Was there a lot of uh drugs and all that stuff with the behind the scenes?

00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.559
Yeah, you just saw people like even the photographers doing cocaine, doing whatever what are they?

00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:05.359
There's all that stuff.

00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.440
Yeah, so I did that for a while, Coke.

00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.480
For a while because I was too fat.

00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:12.640
So it was a way to lose weight.

00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:13.759
Yes.

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Did you go to the studio 54?

00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:16.960
Oh yeah.

00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:17.599
Yeah.

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And I'd have to bring everyone in.

00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:24.480
So I've so the Sirius XM, there's the the bouncer guys, the doormen.

00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.119
They had their own radio show for a while.

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Oh, and so they had me on.

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They're like, oh, we remember you.

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So you could get in if they liked you and you looked good and whatever.

00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:39.519
So people would like wake me up and they're like, Kim, we're going to studio 15 months.

00:18:39.680 --> 00:18:40.319
I just want to sleep.

00:18:40.400 --> 00:18:42.079
I have to wake up in the morning and do something.

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No, no, we need you to get in.

00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:50.000
So I would have an entourage of like 10 people that would cart the little thing and oh, let me in.

00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:52.400
I'm like, okay, all this 10, they were with me.

00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:53.440
That's incredible.

00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:55.599
There's so you know, I was telling you about my doctor earlier.

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I had this amazing doctor, I go to this amazing place.

00:18:57.920 --> 00:19:00.799
There's a lady there, and I wonder if you know her.

00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:02.000
She was a huge model.

00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:08.160
She was on the cover of a cosmopolitan, and she had one of the biggest TV commercials in the 80s.

00:19:08.319 --> 00:19:09.759
Uh, Angelae.

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I could bring home the bacon, dinner, fry it up in the panel and never let you forget you.

00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:16.000
You know that's all I'm about.

00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:17.359
Her name is Pamela.

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I don't know her last name, I know her last name now, but because she but she would go to Studio 54, and she was.

00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:23.359
I see her at the gym all the time.

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She's like in her late 70s, early 80s, and I'll be at the treadmill and she sits next to me at the treadmill, she'll tell me stories about Studio 54 and Elizabeth Taylor and Mick Jagger and all this stuff.

00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:32.160
Right.

00:19:32.319 --> 00:19:34.079
And I wonder if you two ever worked together.

00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:34.720
Yeah.

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Well, I she's a little older.

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I'm not sure.

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I don't think so.

00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:43.200
She would, she might remember, but a lot of times we worked alone, I'm telling you.

00:19:43.440 --> 00:19:44.400
You were by yourself.

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You just kind of would make friends with hair and makeup people.

00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:51.359
But when you're on the set, you know, what about when like meeting celebrities, like actors and stuff today?

00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.720
You had to meet them all, no?

00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:54.000
Not when we were young.

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I mean, you were doing a lot of catalogs and you were doing magazines and things.

00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.519
And back then, models were on the covers.

00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:03.039
There were no celebrities.

00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.920
Celebrities didn't have the skin care and they didn't have the true.

00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:10.960
Now they've taken all that and the cover's over.

00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.200
That's why you don't really see supermodels anymore.

00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.400
You don't, do you?

00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:20.640
No, the actresses kind of moved in and took our spot.

00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:25.599
But what about like still, you know, being in the public eye in the 80s and being very recognizable?

00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:28.880
There had to be like athletes in actors going, who's that?

00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:30.000
Set me up with her.

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You had to have the people like that hit on you.

00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:32.720
Yeah.

00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:34.960
I I had some strange phone calls too.

00:20:35.519 --> 00:20:36.880
Like, give me some names, Tim.

00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:38.960
So I had a private number.

00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:43.039
So back in the day, you had a we had a phone with a dial, right?

00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:43.519
Do you remember?

00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:43.920
Yeah.

00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:44.640
Yeah, yeah.

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And so I get a call one day, and it's this woman, and she's like, Hi, I'm the secretary for um for John Kennedy Jr., right?

00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.559
And she's like, um, he wants to know if you want to go out with him.

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I said, well, why doesn't he call me himself?

00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.079
And she's like, oh, well, you know, I'm the one who's doing it.

00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.440
And I said, well, how'd you get my number?

00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:07.680
She says, if you go out with him, I'll tell you.

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And I'm like, no.

00:21:09.359 --> 00:21:10.319
Oh, come on.

00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:11.839
I would have gone out with him.

00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:12.400
No.

00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:15.759
I said, if he wants to date me, he has to call me himself.

00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:16.720
He never called.

00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:17.279
What?

00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:19.599
And that's because are you watching that show?

00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:21.200
No, I need to.

00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:22.799
It's on Hulu and Disney.

00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:28.400
It's like the highest-rated series in the history of Disney and Hulu, and it's the JFK Carolyn Bassett story.

00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:29.359
Did you know Calvin Klein?

00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:29.759
Did you meet him?

00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:30.400
Because he's in it too.

00:21:30.799 --> 00:21:31.359
He's a buddy.

00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:32.960
I grew up with those guys.

00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:36.559
Him, Ralph Loren, Tommy Hilfiger, all those guys are buddies.

00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:38.079
They see me and they're like, hi Kim.

00:21:38.240 --> 00:21:39.200
We all grew up together.

00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:40.400
Well, I that's what I'm saying.

00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:43.839
I'm watching this show because the show takes place in the 90s, right?

00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:50.400
So in the 90s, during the JFK Carolyn Bassett stuff and the Calvin Klein stuff, where were you with your modeling career?

00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:53.680
I was probably already out and into broadcasting.

00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.079
So I finished up with Good Morning America.

00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:58.960
I worked with them from 1987 to 1990.

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And so So I was living in Florida.

00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:05.359
I was married and living in Florida and had at that point two children.

00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:11.359
And so I was pretty much a stay-at-home mom and doing broadcasting.

00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.119
Well, I remember also like lots of fitness stuff with you.

00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:15.599
Yes.

00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:17.119
Did that happen after that?

00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:18.240
Did you jump on it?

00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:19.359
All around that time.

00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:28.960
I can't remember when I first started, but I remember I was hired for an ingredient actually in supplements called Garcinia Cambogia.

00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:34.240
They it's very weird to be hired for an ingredient in thousands of products, but I was.

00:22:34.400 --> 00:22:34.720
Wow.

00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:39.039
And then I had my own fitness um slide called Slim Slide.

00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:40.079
That's what I was thinking of.

00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:49.279
I remember I so I have this, the way I do interviews, I have this thing where I don't like to do a lot of research, especially with someone like you.

00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.640
Like I know, I've known you of you for a long time.

00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:54.240
So I don't want to like dig.

00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:55.279
I want it to come out.

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I had this theory of I'm on a southwest flight, I'm going from Phoenix to San Diego.

00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:01.440
It's an hour flight.

00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:03.359
I happen to be sitting next to Kim Alexis.

00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:04.799
I have an hour to get the network.

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:06.559
So that's kind of how I do it.

00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:08.559
But I remember something like that.

00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.160
Was there an in it was an infomercial?

00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:10.559
Yeah.

00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:10.960
Yeah.

00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:12.480
I did a lot of infomercials.

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.160
You did for what other products?

00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:15.519
Well, a lot of products.

00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:23.039
It was funny because let's say there was one for teeth whitening, and then right before another company, and then that was the one that took off.

00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.200
And then I did one for like a contemporary grill, and that didn't take off.

00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:28.400
George Foreman's did.

00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.160
And then I did one for acne cream, even though I never really had acne.

00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.039
And then what was the one that was really popular?

00:23:35.119 --> 00:23:36.000
The acne cream?

00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:36.319
I don't know.

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:38.960
Oh, uh Pro Pro something.

00:23:39.200 --> 00:23:39.440
Yeah.

00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:40.079
Everyone did that.

00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:41.519
Like a week after.

00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:43.279
So I'm like, I'm just missing this.

00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:45.039
So did you have one agent?

00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:50.640
And like, is that you know how they like if you win the Academy Award, I want to thank my manager and my agent for being with me for three years.

00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.400
Have you had the same people for the whole time?

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No, no.

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Good question.00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:56.480


Uh so I started out with elite models.00:23:56.880 --> 00:24:00.559


And then after a couple of years, I went to Wilhelmina.00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:06.480


And Wilhelmina was a famous model in like the 40s and 50s, and she opened her own agency in New York City.00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.359


And then I went to Next Models for a while.00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:11.759


And then I went to Trump Models.00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:14.880


He had he had a modeling agency.00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.960


And I do not have one now.00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:20.960


But do you but what about for acting and uh so for acting?00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:25.279


I literally had a woman who handled Martin Sheen and Charlie Sheen.00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.839


So got to Charlie, poor bad Charlie.00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.200


He tried to date me also.00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:30.960


I'm like, you're younger, number one.00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:33.119


Number two, too bad boy for me.00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:33.680


Really?00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:41.839


So you never took advantage of your status and had a younger guy, a boy toy, or had an older man, or you were just you know why?00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.880


I bet you had because you had a good relationship with your dad.00:24:45.039 --> 00:24:46.240


Are you close with your dad?00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.599


I just lost my dad.00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:48.400


Oh, I'm sorry.00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:49.039


Yeah, yeah.00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:50.960


But um, yeah, pretty good relationship.00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.160


He was very protective.00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.920


See, I have this theory, and and I've never seen it proved wrong.00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:01.599


Um, but uh a woman that has a great relationship with her dad is so grounded and makes good decisions.00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:02.000


Yeah.00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:04.400


Um, same with a uh a boy and his mother.00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:04.799


Yeah.00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:05.119


Right?00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:09.519


I feel like the opposite sex parent has such a strong role in in the kids.00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:19.440


And I see right like like I think you know, somebody that didn't have that position, a relationship with your dad, would have done the Charlie Sheen situation, would have said, okay, I'll go out with JFK Jr.00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:19.680


Yeah.00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:20.319


You know what I mean?00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:20.559


Yeah.00:25:20.640 --> 00:25:22.480


I feel like that, but you're so grounded.00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:24.000


That's I don't know.00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:25.519


And I don't know where it comes from.00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:26.960


It's just more comfortable that way.00:25:27.039 --> 00:25:29.039


So was it hard to get off the drugs?00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:30.720


No, no, in an instant.00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:37.599


The second I met my husband, my first husband, I'm now married three times, but he the athlete?00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:40.240


Uh no, no, no, he was a real estate guy.00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:42.880


How does a real estate guy meet a supermodel?00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:44.960


I was fly good question.00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:51.599


I was flying from my first Sports Illustrated swimsuit, New York City to London overnight, right?00:25:51.839 --> 00:26:01.200


Spend the day in London, overnight, London, Nairobi, overnight, and then jump on a little bush plane, land on a grass airstrip.00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:08.559


My husband was sitting there standing, waiting for the for the plane to land, because he had heard there was a swimsuit model coming.00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.599


Legitimately?00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:09.759


Yeah.00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:12.880


But he's a but he's a real estate guy in Florida, yeah.00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:14.319


From Florida in Nairobi.00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:15.039


Yep.00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:15.680


Yep.00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:22.480


And so he you land, you get off the plane, and he's like And I'm like, oh, he's kind of tan and muscular, and this could be fun.00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:26.960


And while you're doing the photo shoot, you guys start going out to dinner, having out to dinner.00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:28.880


It's a safari, you're in the middle of nowhere.00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.039


Well, how does he how does he court you?00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:40.160


Um, he just oh, so he asked if I would like to stay to see Africa, and he was a pilot, and he had a plane.00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:43.759


His dad owned part of a plane with a couple other guys there.00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:49.680


His dad was into safaris and things, and so he was staying at his friend's camp in Kenya.00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:51.039


So after the shoot, you were able to.00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:56.400


After the shoot, I called in New York to New York and I'm like, cancel my bookings for the next couple days.00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.400


I'm gonna explore Africa.00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:13.039


So he literally would fly me around, we'd buzz wildebeest, the the migration that would happen, and flew to Mombasa and different parts of the coast and things, and and just got to see this wonderful, raw, beautiful country.00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:15.359


So that was how he pretty much courted me.00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:23.440


What a wonderful one I almost I almost literally broke up with him when I brought him to New York City because he was like a fish out of water there.00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.960


He didn't really understand how to rate, you know, get a taxi.00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:29.599


And I'm like, oh my gosh, you like don't know the basics.00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:31.119


How long are you with him?00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:33.599


Uh I was married to him for eight years.00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:39.759


Well, I mean, what a way to blow someone's mind to do that, right, with the wilder beast and show you Africa.00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:41.359


Yeah, that was the way to get me to the first thing.00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:42.799


Like, were you did you fall in love then?00:27:43.039 --> 00:28:03.200


Well, I like the idea of the adventure, and I realized that I loved God's creation and what he made and loved nature and loved being out there and living in Florida where he was in outside of Jacksonville was very um right on the beach, and just there was a lot of nature around.00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:06.240


And so I would just travel once we came back.00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:12.079


I would travel every week from New York down to Florida because it would help ground me and normalize me.00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:19.519


I just loved being outdoors and um nature and not worrying about my makeup or my whatever.00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.559


Did you have to deal with did he have to deal with a lot of the jealousy?00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.200


Like if you were going on shoes, was he like, where are you going?00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:25.839


Who you going with?00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:26.160


What?00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:29.119


I think I probably blocked a lot of that out.00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:37.200


I probably had to like call and check in every night and kind of tell him why, but I never gave anyone reason to be jealous.00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:38.799


It's not it's not my thing.00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:43.359


It's like not I wasn't gonna do anything that was like, oh, well, figure it out yourself.00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:44.640


This is what I want to do.00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.440


You know, you were talking about like the acne cream and stuff.00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:48.720


Is there any beauty?00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.039


So I know you you're fitness, whatever, but you still are a fashion icon.00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:54.640


Is there any beauty hack?00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:59.039


If there's one beauty hack that you do, is there one that you're like, I have to do this?00:28:59.279 --> 00:28:59.839


Drink water.00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:00.559


Drink water?00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:01.680


I don't drink alcohol.00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:02.880


You don't drink alcohol at all?00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.480


When's the last time you had any alcohol?00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:05.440


Uh nine years.00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:06.079


Really?00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:09.680


But I used to go when I was working, I would go years without drinking.00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:10.720


I don't do well.00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:11.839


It's like poison to me.00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:12.880


I I do not handle it.00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:14.160


I don't like alcohol at all.00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:15.119


I get a rash.00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.799


Well, I get a bad hangover, but it was just not worth it for me.00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:20.559


So will you drink how much water will you drink?00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:25.359


Like what would you well as much as I like what's your do you have a morning routine?00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.640


Like I have a routine where I drink a certain amount of water right away when I wake up.00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:35.279


Um, I actually some days I need that, some days I have to have coffee first, and then I'll be right back.00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:36.079


Coffee first.00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:37.519


There's like a debate on that right now.00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.759


No, it's better to have the water.00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:43.920


And so studying, I've now studied under um Dr.00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:44.640


Cabral.00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:45.599


I don't know if you know him.00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:47.039


He does integrative health.00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:49.119


So he gives certifications out for that.00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:53.119


And so he's a big believer in lime juice, water, and some sea salt.00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.240


And he thinks that's a natural Gatorade for your body early in the morning.00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.519


So um I try to do that most mornings too.00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.559


So what what else are your life hacks, your health hacks?00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:04.400


Because I know you're very, very healthy.00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:10.720


Well, I just try and eat as clean as possible, read a lot of labels, only trust certain companies.00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:11.680


I'm not crazy.00:30:11.759 --> 00:30:14.960


If you go out to dinner, I won't sit there and be a snob over things.00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:22.160


But if there's stuff on the menu that's weird, sometimes I'll just try and get like the sides, like vegetables or something.00:30:22.480 --> 00:30:24.880


Like, do you uh go into MyFitnessPal?00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:25.519


Do you do that stuff?00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:26.079


Do you scroll?00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:27.599


Yeah, I've tried doing all that.00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:35.039


I'm not, yeah, I'm just not into I I've had enough people check and balance me over the years, and I'm like, I can keep that in my head.00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:39.039


I would say with what you've been through as a supermodel, it's like one more thing.00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:39.519


Yeah.00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:39.839


Yeah.00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:45.519


And there was so much when we were modeling that I felt like as all these don'ts.00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.680


Like you can't have that.00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:51.039


You don't do that, you can't do that, don't do that.00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:58.160


And so that denying all the time, sometimes you just like that 80-20 rule is pretty good.00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:00.319


Be good 80% of the time.00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:06.640


And sometimes you just have to have like for me, I would run marathons to eat a bag of chocolate chip cookies.00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:07.440


That's crazy.00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:07.920


Yeah.00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:08.880


Did you ever smoke?00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.960


No, I tried it, but I was a swimmer, so I would cough.00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:14.640


I do not like anything in my lungs.00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:15.519


That's terrible.00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:17.519


I hate stuff in my lungs.00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:19.839


So what'd you have for breakfast today?00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:28.319


I had a protein shake and I put a bunch of green bach uh green leafy leafies in there and pea protein and fruit.00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:30.319


I think I do um berries.00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:31.519


You ever do the creatine?00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:32.960


Have you heard about this creatine for women?00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:38.640


Yeah, I it never really I I didn't ever notice if it helped me or not.00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.359


I'm not a super big, like I don't mess here.00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:42.799


I've never done Botox.00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:54.319


I don't do stuff like I I try to just stay eating clean and try to detox my body every three months and try to do a lot of infrared sauna and sweat and work out.00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.359


But I'm 65 now, I don't work out as much as I used to.00:31:57.519 --> 00:31:58.880


I almost don't need to.00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.920


So I'll I used to run and now it's walking because I had my big dog clipped my knee and so it tore my meniscus.00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:07.119


And running hurts.00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.880


You know, I was telling you earlier about stem cells.00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.160


I so you think that'll help?00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:13.119


Oh, I know it'll help.00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:20.000


I have a my son, I have a son who tore his ACL and a meniscus, took him to Mexico, he got injections in his knees.00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:20.640


He's 100%.00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.519


Oh, I'd be out running in a second.00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:25.200


I'm telling you, it's a game changer.00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:25.599


Okay.00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:26.480


I'm with you.00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:30.160


That whole thing is is just so different.00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:33.839


So, you know, when you say you're 65, which by the way, you look fantastic.00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:38.480


My my wife has gone through uh a lot of the hormonal stuff.00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:39.680


Are you past all that?00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:40.480


Oh, hell yeah.00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:41.359


I'm way past that.00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:41.759


Yeah, yeah.00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:43.759


She just had a hysterectomy a few months ago.00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.480


Oh yeah, that was that really kind of messed with your whole thing.00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:50.000


Yeah, so now she's doing the the HRT?00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:50.960


Yeah, pellets.00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.640


Uh, it's a thing she puts in her mouth, a troche or something like that, that's what it's called.00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:54.880


Okay.00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:58.559


And it has the testosterone, it has the estrogen in it, it has everything in it.00:32:58.720 --> 00:32:59.519


Do you do the pellets?00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:00.400


I do pellets, yeah.00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.079


And that's where they cut them and they put them in there, right?00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:02.880


She did that for a while.00:33:03.039 --> 00:33:03.279


Yep.00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.640


Um every three months.00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.079


And and that works well for you?00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.160


Yes, and it's not like I need to think about it.00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.680


I just once every three months make sure I get a refill.00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:13.200


Yeah, do you feel different on it?00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.000


I do, but I would love to at some point not be on anything.00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:19.440


And I'm also on thyroids.00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:22.240


So I found years ago that I had a thyroid problem.00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:23.119


I've written a book on.00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.119


Is it synthetroid or what or what all?00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.240


I take a generic form of it.00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.400


I didn't really do as well on synthroids.00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:32.480


So the levaturice levitum.00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:33.359


Levothyoxin.00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:35.519


Levithyroxin and levaturicetin.00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:37.519


I take both T3 and T4.00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:40.559


And but you're supposed to be able to get off them.00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.559


So a couple, like a month ago, because of studying integrative health, right?00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:50.240


I'm like, okay, well, they say that you're low in iron, I'm sorry, iodine and selenium.00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:55.200


So I took the supplement that supports your thyroid, and now I'm gonna cut my dose down, right?00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.680


So I started cutting my dose and I gained 10 pounds.00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:02.079


Oh, I'm now trying to get off of the weight, trying to lose weight.00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.559


But when you mess with your thyroid hormones, for me, I just blow up.00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:09.440


Yeah, the thyroid thing is a mystery.00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.280


Yeah.00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:18.800


But so I don't want to mess with the hormones if I'm like, ah, like my husband would say, um, it's time for your pellets.00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:21.360


Your husband now, I was just talking to your husband earlier.00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:22.719


What does he do for a living?00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.440


Right now, he is he's a mortgage banker, but he's looking for something else.00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:35.679


Mortgage banking has not been a uh very lucrative lately, but he was a land developer for years and he's very big into politics and charity.00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.199


He does a ton of charity work.00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:39.760


Did he know that you were a supermodel when he met you?00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:40.880


Yes, yes, he did.00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:42.000


How'd you meet him?00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.320


So I met him.00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:49.440


I when I left my second husband, I moved, I heard one word from God.00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:50.400


Older.00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:52.960


And so I was living in Jacksonville.00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.639


I jumped in the only car we had with my dog, I had a chocolate lab.00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.480


And it makes me kind of tear up.00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:01.760


But I called my dad.00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.440


I'm like, Dad, I'm gone.00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:04.800


I'm I'm gone.00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:05.519


I'm out of there.00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:09.920


And I just started physically shaking and knew that I just needed to get out of there.00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:12.000


So I'm like, okay, God, where do I go?00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:13.519


And I hear Boulder.00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:26.320


And so I had visited my oldest son at the time, he was living in Denver, and he had taken me to Boulder a couple months before, and I fell in love with their huge Whole Foods and with their creek and with their beautiful mountains.00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:28.079


And I thought, okay.00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:50.559


And right at the time this was going on was when Boulder had that hundred-year flood, and it was made the news, and it was like and all the so I ended up, it took me three months to get there, and I stayed with pastor friends, and I would go and be counseled, and I was going to church, making sure that if I stood before God Almighty, I could say I left for the right reason because it was important to me.00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:57.440


And so I finally get to Boulder, and but people would keep saying, Are you sure God told you to go to Boulder?00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.119


Because it's like, right, there's these floods, and I mean it's it's a disaster area.00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.199


I'm like, yeah, that's where I'm supposed to go.00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.239


So I get to Boulder and took me a while.00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.159


I finally figured a little place to live.00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.320


And I was in the front part of a house.00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:16.719


And due to other things with my exes and how they invested money, I didn't have very much at all.00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:21.519


So I just had enough money for the front part of someone else's house.00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.440


And the woman who owned the house, her son, lived in the back part of the house.00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:30.320


And I didn't know anybody and didn't see anybody in the winter.00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:32.480


I moved in December 1st.00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:41.280


And so I could hear him on the other side of the wall, and I knew there was a human being somewhere, and that if there was something really bad, like I was gonna be okay.00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:44.639


And like at this point, my kids are out of the house, you know, empty nest and stuff.00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.360


This was 10 years ago.00:36:47.840 --> 00:37:02.239


And so um I slowly started making friends, even though it was winter, and finally meet this girlfriend, and she and I had dogs, and our dogs liked each other, and she was a Christian and she was married to a Jewish man, and we would start walking dogs.00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:10.000


And at this point, my ex is kind of suing me and I'm going through stuff, and so she and I would pray, and it was a miserable, horrible, awful time.00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.920


And I kept saying, God, why am I here?00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:13.920


Like, what am I doing here?00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:22.239


And so it took a while, but she, this woman I was praying with, kept saying, I know this really nice guy.00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:23.679


He lives in Scottsdale.00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.239


I'm like, who wants to date a guy that lives in Scottsdale?00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.480


Like, I'm not moving to Scottsdale.00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:36.400


So um, it took me four years of hiking and just marching around, and I knew I needed to heal and work on me.00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.840


I'd been beaten down.00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.599


I had listened to lies and other people telling.00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:44.159


Always when you're modeling, people are telling you what to do.00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.199


You know, it's not you don't create, they're creating, you're just the canvas.00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:53.119


So I think that and I was very much a people pleaser.00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:59.119


So for me, um it took a long time for me to re-heal and find who am I?00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:00.239


How do you want to dress?00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:01.280


What do you want to look like?00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:02.079


Who are you?00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:03.039


What do you want to do?00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:15.519


I mean, really a whole shift in what was important to me because now I no longer am the mother and I didn't need I didn't have that need in my life where I had to take care of anyone else.00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:16.719


I had to take care of me.00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:23.440


And so finally I meet Jeff and um did you fly at the Scottsfield meeting?00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:25.039


No, no, he flew into Boulder.00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.760


So he was helping to train someone for an Iron Man.00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:37.519


Boulder has Iron Man's in August, and he was doing the bike with uh one of the girls, Tara, who ended up doing the Boulder Marathon that year.00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:41.199


And so he flew to go and just hang with her and watch her do the Iron Man.00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.199


Sorry, not the marathon, the Iron Man.00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:49.280


And so um that first night he was staying with my girlfriend at their house.00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.519


And they said my girlfriend called, she's like, Would you like to go to dinner with us?00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:55.360


And I was always there plus one, right?00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:55.679


Right?00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:58.639


Well, now they've got, she says, Jeff's gonna come along.00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.119


Do you mind?00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.239


I'm like, okay, I figured it was safe, right?00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.000


Because they were gonna be there.00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.559


So they go and drive to pick me up at my little place that I was at.00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:10.320


I didn't know how to date.00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:15.760


So I go running, tearing out that front door, and I jump in the back of the car, and I'm kind of sitting there.00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:20.800


And Jeff later says, Wait a minute, I was gonna go to the door and you know, get you at the door.00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:22.000


I'm like, I didn't know what to do.00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:23.039


I didn't know how to date.00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:28.000


I was so used to being married that I just didn't know it's so hard to go back to the dating world.00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:33.199


So we go to dinner and he's talking and he orders this huge porterhouse steak.00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:35.199


I mean, this huge steak with a bone.00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.119


And I grew up with three boys, right?00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:38.239


I had three sons.00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.119


And so he's talking to his friend and his stew, and they kept joking back and forth.00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:49.039


And um, so Jeff's like, Yeah, I ate that whole steak in 40, you know, 14 minutes or something.00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.639


I'm like, you're cheating.00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.800


You didn't eat the meat off the bone, right?00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.599


He says, I'm not gonna eat the meat off the bone.00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:56.800


I said, Well, why not?00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:59.199


He says, because you just don't do that.00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:03.840


Well, swimming five and a half hours a day, I used to eat the steak rind before dinner.00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.119


I would beg for it, right?00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.199


For that all the extra calories.00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.440


So I'm like, I dare you.00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:10.800


He says, I dare you.00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:12.719


I picked up his bone and I sat there.00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.199


And we're at the nicest restaurant in Boulder.00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.159


And so I realized that he was very comfortable.00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:22.800


And so I found that I was kind of like leaning into him a little bit, and I'm like, oh, something about him.00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:23.760


He's just comfortable.00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:26.159


But who wants to date a guy that lives in Scottsdale?00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:26.800


Right.00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:30.480


And at this point, I'm thinking, okay, I've got to go back.00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.159


Now I'm healed and I'm gonna go back to New York City and I'm gonna remake my mark and I'm gonna go back into the business.00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.239


And I didn't know what else to do.00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:45.440


And so I saw him, and then the next couple of days, I was leaving, I'm moving to New York City.00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:54.320


So before women move, you go get your hair cut and colored with the hairdresser you know, because now you're going to a new city and you're gonna take six weeks before you find the new one.00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:54.639


Right.00:40:54.960 --> 00:40:58.159


So that's what I did like the last Saturday that I was there.00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:04.000


I was like, he he said to me Saturday, so that was a Friday night, we went to the Meet on the Bones.00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:08.159


Saturday, um, I said, I have to go get my hair cut in Denver.00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:10.079


So that's a 40-minute drive, right?00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:11.039


He says, I'll drive you.00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:12.079


I have relatives there.00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:17.280


Well, if you know Jeff, you know he has relatives around the whole country, but he really did have relatives here.00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.719


So he drove me, we had a nice dinner, we just spent the weekend together.00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:34.800


We just had a really good time, and then he flew back to Scottsdale, and I went back to packing and and literally gave the whole house away because I was moving from drove with nothing to Boulder four years before, except my dog, right?00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:43.599


Now I'm leaving a three-bedroom place that I'd gotten from Craigslist furniture and all this, you know, collected things along the way.00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.840


And I'm leaving it because I'm moving to a studio apartment in New York City.00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:53.280


So I literally, I hear God tell me again, give everything away.00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.840


The next man you meet, your husband will have a fully loaded kitchen.00:41:57.920 --> 00:41:58.880


You don't need a thing.00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:00.800


So I had a party.00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:10.400


At this point, I had about 10 girlfriends and I had a party and I laid everything out on the kitchen table and I gave it all away, and then I gave away the kitchen table.00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.280


And I moved to New York City.00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.039


But so Jeff had called me during that time and he's like, Well, who's driving you?00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.119


And I'm like, Well, what do you mean who's driving me?00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:21.840


He says, Well, you can't drive a truck across country by yourself.00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:23.599


I said, I sure can.00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:25.280


He says, I will fly in.00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:28.960


He says, We'll have separate rooms, you go your way, I'll go mine.00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:31.599


And he says, you know, I'll just help you drive there.00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:38.000


I can work from my phone and I have to be in Florida anyways, and I'll just drive down from there and or fly down from there.00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.679


So he drove me cross country and we got to know each other.00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:42.559


Wow.00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.960


And then I literally left him.00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:48.000


I'm like, I'm not dating a guy that lives in Scottsdale.00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.840


I gotta figure out, right?00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:52.000


I gotta figure out my life in New York City.00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.800


So I didn't talk to him for six months.00:42:55.039 --> 00:43:02.000


Now, while he was driving me across country, he was pounding his leg and he wouldn't let me drive the rental truck, right?00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:06.159


I had to put his license on and pay extra because of the insurance, right?00:43:06.320 --> 00:43:08.880


So he wouldn't let me drive, but his leg kept getting numb.00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:10.559


And I'm like, why are you pounding your leg?00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.480


He says, Well, I fell off a horse and his leg was numb.00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:21.039


So six months now go by, and I'm thinking, now it's the dead of winter in New York City.00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:22.480


Starbucks was closed.00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.880


It was so dead and so cold, right?00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:30.079


So when you're in the middle of winter in a small studio apartment, what do you do when it's winter time?00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:33.360


You call all your friends that live in the nice areas, right?00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:38.559


So I call one of my girlfriends, and she was in Georgia, and she says, Come on down for the weekend.00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:39.519


So I said, Okay.00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.679


And she was a photographer and she had this huge black Frisian horse, a very big, huge horse named Grace.00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.199


So I go down there and she's like, Everybody does this photo shoot with me.00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:50.400


You have to stand on the horse.00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.199


Grace will let you stand on her back with no saddle.00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:57.360


So I'm up there doing my modeling stuff and doing these things and whatever.00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:59.360


And then she has me sitting on the back of the horse.00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.920


Crisscross applesauce, you remember that?00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.880


And so we're taking pictures.00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.559


She made some hand movement and that horse moved.00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.920


And I fell off that big, tall horse flat on gravel, flat on my back.00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.679


And I couldn't move for two minutes.00:44:17.760 --> 00:44:24.320


Like, you know, when you're like so in so much pain that you're like assessing your body, like things moved, your toes moved.00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.039


Am I okay?00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:26.719


Am I gonna ever feel anything again?00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:27.920


It was that bad.00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:36.159


And so I limped back to New York City and I ended up calling Jeff because I said, I now know how it feels.00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.079


I fell off of the horse.00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.400


And thank you so much for driving me.00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:41.440


Like now I know.00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:42.559


And that's how we started.00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.280


Six months later, I fell off of the horse.00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:46.320


Her name was Grace.00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:47.519


I fell from Grace.00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.920


Oh, what a great story.00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:53.199


I thought you were gonna say Jeff was the guy living on the side of the wall.00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:53.519


No.00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:54.559


In the first house.00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:56.400


No, I forgot his name.00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:02.719


So wait, so when you were driving together all the way to New York and you had set you in separate, still had separate hotels.00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:03.039


Yeah.00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:04.400


There was never a makeout session.00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.159


You guys never make out, yes, all the time.00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:07.199


Makeouts.00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:12.559


So because we had the rental truck and it was my expense, I always had to pee.00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:15.760


Early in the morning, I was always peeing, like pull over at the gas station, I have to pee.00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.159


And Jeff says, My dad trained me, never let the tank get below half point, right?00:45:20.480 --> 00:45:21.679


So he would stop.00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:30.639


I'd run into the bathroom, hand him my credit card, run to the bathroom, come back, and go to the other side of the truck where he was loading the truck to go get my credit card.00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:33.039


He'd push me against the side of the truck and make out.00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:37.519


And I'm like, okay, I guess I know nobody in this middle of the nowhere in the town, right?00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:39.039


So it's kind of fun.00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:40.880


So I figured that's what we did.00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.239


And after I moved to New York City, it was like, mm-mm.00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:45.920


Did you have a job in New York City?00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:46.400


No.00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.960


So you just went there six months, nothing.00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:50.159


By faith, yeah.00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:50.880


By faith.00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:52.559


Oh, you're a very religious person now.00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:53.920


Have you always been?00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.119


Uh I think that that's a journey, probably.00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.920


So my faith levels can go up and down.00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:00.719


There's a lot of doubt.00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:02.239


I'm like, forgive me for having to jump.00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:03.039


Did you meditate?00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:04.000


I pray.00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:04.800


You pray.00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:06.400


Every morning, every night, all the time?00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:09.039


Uh anytime I think about it.00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.360


Or and and mostly to me, it's thank you, Lord, for that beautiful sunset.00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.199


Or oh, you're showing off, God.00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:16.079


That's really cool.00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:17.199


Did Jeff know?00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.559


At one point, did Jeff know that you were Kim Alexa's supermodel from the 80s?00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.440


He did a long, he did before we went out to that dinner.00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:24.079


Oh, he did.00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:24.639


He knew.00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:25.440


I would think.00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.000


So he just thought we were gonna be friends.00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:28.639


Wow.00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:29.119


Yeah.00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:33.280


So was your divorce, your second divorce, was it one of those things that was in the news all the time or something?00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:33.679


No.00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:36.320


No, because I wasn't an in the news type of person.00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:36.960


You weren't?00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:38.880


It wasn't something ugly divorce or tough.00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:40.800


I tried not to be ugly.00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.440


I just tried to Well, it sounded like you were there was things going on.00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:46.400


Well, there was ugly things, but I wasn't going to broadcast them.00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:46.719


Right.00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:48.159


I'm still kind of protective.00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.599


That's the father of my kid.00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:50.559


Oh, good.00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:57.199


So so when the that's so stated, then does that mean when we see stuff like that in the news, is that all on purpose?00:46:57.519 --> 00:47:00.320


Like you could keep a celebrity divorce quiet if you wanted to?00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:01.039


Oh yeah.00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:02.079


But they don't?00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:03.039


No.00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:04.880


Some some don't.00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:12.079


Or I didn't have a big enough time uh name at the time, you know, after 30, 40 years of working.00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.760


So maybe they saw it in the court papers or something.00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.199


But so what about now?00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:18.960


What does Kim Alexis do now?00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:21.679


You're an integrative uh medicine expert?00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:26.079


Uh no, I'm just a person who loves to study and learn.00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.559


And I never went to college, right?00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.920


So I was discovered at 18, went to New York City at 18.00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:33.360


Always love studying.00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:35.840


I used to bring home extra books in high school.00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:43.519


So I started working as the wellness ambassador for trilogies, all the trilogies which are active adult communities around the country.00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:47.280


And I realized I think I'm gonna get my real estate license.00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.800


And so I spent six months, got my license and passed.00:47:51.119 --> 00:47:54.320


And then I'm looking around, I'm like, okay, I'm the wellness ambassador.00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:58.320


Well, maybe I should learn how to lead classes, fitness classes.00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.760


And I'd through the slim slide and different projects I'd done.00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.280


I'd done some exercise things, body by Jake, I'd done things over the years, but I thought, let's be certified.00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.280


And so I got certified as a group fitness instructor.00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:15.280


And then I looked and I'm like, I have always studied nutrition.00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.039


And so I thought I'd really like to get some type of certification.00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:26.480


I didn't want to do a four-year college where I had to get all my old transcripts from 45 years or 47 years ago, right?00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:40.079


And excuse me, so I uh I did the integrative health, which was literally just studying about root causes of things and how you're either taking something away, which is toxins, or you're adding something, which is supplements.00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:52.159


And I like that concept of not diagnosing, treating, and curing, but really just diving into root cause, figuring out what that is, and using support systems to help you get back to a normal.00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.679


Your body's never making your body doesn't make a mistake.00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:55.920


Right.00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:56.880


That's what they teach you.00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:01.440


Are you into the all the RFK stuff and all I love that he's doing all that?00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:03.679


I was never a big vaccine person.00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:13.519


I just, you know, with my children when they were young, uh, my youngest or my oldest had some learning problems, and I think they came from the vaccines.00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.440


You can't prove it, but yeah.00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:18.559


There's this guy, have you seen that guy that's trying to live to be like 400 years old?00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:19.519


His name is Brian Johnson.00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:19.840


Yeah.00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:21.519


I read this interview with him.00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.039


He said if he could do one thing, he would do olive oil every day.00:49:25.199 --> 00:49:26.639


So I started drinking olive oil every day.00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:27.280


I do like a shot.00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:28.320


I have no idea.00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:30.079


Is that before or after your coffee?00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:32.960


No, I do it later on the day after I've already eaten because I feel it'd be weird.00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:35.760


So he says like the healthiest thing for you, so I do a shot of it every day.00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:36.800


Have you done that yet?00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.280


No.00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:39.440


I do that only if I do a liver cleanse.00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:40.960


Oh, I've never done a liver cleanse.00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:41.760


Oh, I'll teach you.00:49:42.079 --> 00:49:42.320


What is that?00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:43.440


I'll take you through that.00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:53.199


So you don't eat after two, and then you just do Epsom salts for until about six, and then you take olive oil, like a cup of olive oil, and then a cup of grapefruit juice, mix it together.00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.280


Oh man, that's gonna do all kinds of cleansing.00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:56.559


Drink it and go to bed.00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:57.920


Does Jeff have kids?00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.920


No, he was never married before.00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:00.639


Whoa.00:50:00.960 --> 00:50:02.480


So he got married at 52.00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:03.920


I'm five years older.00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:04.480


Yeah.00:50:04.719 --> 00:50:05.840


So he is your boy toy.00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:07.280


You did have a boy toy.00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:09.519


I guess that that's what you want to call him.00:50:09.760 --> 00:50:18.000


Well, so if you what if you had to give advice to somebody right now that's that's a 17-year-old, 18-year-old starting and modeling, what kind of advice would you give them right now?00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.320


Always have something to look back on, to to fall back on.00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:23.840


So don't be desperate.00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:30.480


You never want to do something where you're backed in a corner and you're desperate, meaning, okay, I have to get this job.00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.079


I need money for my rent.00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:39.840


Um, if I don't model, if I don't go to bed with this guy, if I don't, whatever, if I don't go out and party, then I'm not gonna get the job.00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:41.679


I was always like, you know what?00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:42.960


You can take your little job.00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:44.719


I'm gonna go do something else.00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.320


Kind of like how you were.00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.440


So always have that strength to be able to say no.00:50:49.840 --> 00:50:51.280


Did you ever have to do nudes and stuff?00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.119


And you did you well, they would try.00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:55.920


So you would be on set and they're like, take off your top.00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:56.079


Right.00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:57.360


Like a lot with the French.00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:57.679


Right.00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.840


The French would be like, take off your top, darling.00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:01.039


I'm like, what now?00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.159


You know, they're really why.00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:05.760


And they're like, it is art.00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:06.559


I said, No.00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:07.599


So you never did it?00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:11.840


No, sometimes sometimes I'd like to walk offset and they're all pissed at me.00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.440


And I'm like, God, this was not in the original contract.00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:16.400


There should be a movie.00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:17.679


You need a movie.00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:23.199


What about did you ever have to do, since you brought up French, did you ever do like not shave your armpits, let your armpits grow out?00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:24.079


Oh gosh, no.00:51:24.400 --> 00:51:25.360


No, no, no.00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:26.639


I was a swimmer, no.00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:30.880


I don't want to end my interview talking about your hairy armpits.00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:34.320


How about going to like Bakerom Yoga?00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:39.519


Did you ever go next to like people that were from other countries and all those spices that come out when they smack?00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:40.639


You ever do hot yoga?00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:41.199


Oh, yeah.00:51:41.360 --> 00:51:41.760


Oh, yeah.00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.360


I'm like, oh, not good.00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:43.679


Yeah.00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:45.840


I'm sure we stink to other countries too.00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.079


Yeah.00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:55.679


I would, in fact, even me, whenever I would, I could, whenever I eat something, I got to the point of doing yoga so much where I stopped using underarm deodorant and certain shampoos because it would I could smell it.00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:55.920


Yes.00:51:56.079 --> 00:51:56.960


And I stopped using cologne.00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:58.960


I still to this day don't wear cologne because of that.00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:00.960


Because it would come out and drip in my eyes.00:52:01.519 --> 00:52:06.639


Well, and you know, hunters don't use that because the animals can smell all the soaps and the smells that we put in everything.00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:07.519


Oh, I didn't know that.00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.679


Yeah, they have their natural scent too, I think.00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.320


In we were talking about your your your your eating habits.00:52:12.480 --> 00:52:15.840


Are there restaurants here that you love that because of their healthiness?00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.840


I I probably need to go out more.00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.800


I don't really, we don't go to a ton of restaurants.00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:28.719


I'd prefer to just make like last night I had shrimp on a Caesar salad, and that's that you made?00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.400


But I mean, Jeff being a Scottsdale guy, there's not Scottsdale restaurants that you go to.00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:32.880


I know.00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:39.840


Well, we go to some and like it would be like a Mediterranean or something because he loves hummus and oh, have you been to the new one?00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:40.639


It's really busy.00:52:41.119 --> 00:52:42.719


Oh my god, what's it called?00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:44.079


Oh my god.00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:45.599


Good one.00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.039


What about have you been to The Ends?00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:49.760


No.00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:56.320


There's a restaurant in Scottsfield called The Ends, and it's like healthy, help they cook everything with the beef tallow and all that stuff.00:52:56.400 --> 00:52:59.360


And it's so I have foundation that has beef tallow on it.00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:00.079


Isn't that funny?00:53:00.239 --> 00:53:01.440


Yeah, that's supposed to be like good for you.00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:07.519


I don't uh so I just started it like last fall, and I don't want to wear it now anymore.00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:09.599


It's getting too hot, so it feels like this big green.00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:11.039


I figured I'd give you pimples.00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.440


Oh so let me ask you this, Kim Alexis.00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:14.960


How did I do interviewing you today?00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:15.679


You did great.00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:16.159


Did I?00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.320


Because I was really insecure at interviewing a supermodel.00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:18.800


Oh.00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.199


And how many magazine covers have you been on?00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:21.920


Do you have a number?00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:23.280


Uh we just say 500.00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:24.159


Kind of stuff at that.00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:26.400


Do you have them all?00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:30.719


Uh we have boxes, banker boxes of tarot sheets.00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:34.239


So one thing in my business is you can always tell how much you worked.00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:42.239


I had banker boxes filled with tarot sheets from magazines of all the different ads and all the different covers.00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:44.559


But is there any cover you have framed in your house?00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:45.519


We have a couple.00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:47.039


And Jeff likes them there.00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:49.199


My second husband tore them all down.00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:52.000


He's like, We're not putting you up, we're putting me up.00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:53.440


So we'd put him up instead of me.00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:54.559


He was on covers of magazines.00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.400


Yeah, well, he was on interview once, cover of interview with Andy Warhol.00:53:58.960 --> 00:53:59.360


Jeez.00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.320


Well, thanks for taking the time to jump on my podcast, Kim.00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.760


Yes, thanks for having me.00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:04.880


Thanks.00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:11.360


Okay, so welcome to our podcast.00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:18.000


This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.