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Okay, so welcome to our podcast.
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This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio.
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I gotta say, I'm I'm really intimidated by this interview.
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Uh I say that because I've done I do a radio show.
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I've done a radio show for 30 years, and this podcast is kind of a part of that radio show.
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Um, but with the radio show, I talk to musicians and actors and actresses.
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You know, you're like a real person.
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I don't know.
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Actors are pretty real.
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Yeah, but if I make a mistake talking to an actor or something like that, it's just a human mistake.
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If I make a mistake talking to you, I didn't do my research.
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You know what I mean?
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Uh we'll forgive you if you make any mistakes.
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Okay, good.
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So I have so this so let me start off with this.
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I I I I know you're getting the presidential medal of freedom, or you did get that, or you are getting that.
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All above.
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All of the above.
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So you got it before and you're getting it again?
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Yes.
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So you can get it more than once.
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There have been two other people who've gotten it more than once.
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Who's that?
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Uh one was Colin Powell, and uh one was a diplomat from way back.
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Uh name it's me at this bunker.
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Bunker was his last name.
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Elsie Ellsworth.
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Oh.
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Are you getting yours tonight at the at the State of the Union thing?
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Or so somewhere when do they give it to you?
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No, they'll probably be in June.
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Late spring.
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Oh, later.
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You know, so I I'm curious.
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I mean, I know I know a I have this weird rule on my podcast where I don't like to do a lot of research.
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I just try to do it like whatever's in the top of my mind.
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I look at it like if we were sitting next to each other on an airplane and we had an hour of flight, and we're just kind of shooting the breeze, and we've learned a lot about each other in that flight.
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Um, but I do know lots of things about you because you're such in the huge in the public eye for so long.
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But I know you've held a human brain before, probably many, many human brains, correct?
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Yes, and I I was always awe-stricken when I opened the skull and looked at the brain.
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Because I said, this is what makes this person who they are.
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It's not his skin, it's not his hair, it's not his nose, it's not his eyes.
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It's this thing right here.
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Yeah.
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The same pounds of matter.
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It's incredible.
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Is there anything now that relates to that in normal life that makes you nervous?
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I mean, you know, because you haven't probably cracked open a skull in a while, have you?
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No, it's been several years.
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Uh I would not be willing to do it now after all these years.
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But a lot of times I look back on my operative notes and I say, What?
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Are you kidding me?
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But what about in everyday life today?
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Is there anything that we're that's that that's that nerve-wracking in your everyday life?
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Or do you go, I've held the human brain, I can do this?
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Well, you know, I I never cease to be amazed at all the different things that I see.
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I'm I'm amazed by the psychology of being a human being.
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What makes different people act in different ways?
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Why do they grow up in certain ways?
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Why do some people live in horrible environments and manage to come out and do spectacular things?
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Why do other people who live in the most luxurious environments end up being total slops?
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You know, what goes into that brain to bring those outcomes?
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I find that fascinating.
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Have you got any answers?
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Uh I do.
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I do have opinions, absolutely.
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Like everybody else.
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So then what are your opinions?
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Why does somebody in the slums come out to be uh a well-rounded person and successful or versus a wealthy person that grew up with everything they have turn out to be a serial killer?
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Because I think some people are able to see role models.
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You can see good role models and you can see bad role models.
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But it's very unusual for somebody who has good role models in their lives to turn out to be a slot.
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And it's unusual for somebody who has a bunch of bad role models to turn out to be a decent person.
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I I have that same theory uh uh I've been working on it a little bit.
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I feel like the opposite sex parent has to be a very, very important role model in someone's life, the opposite sex parent.
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Because I was thinking about this, I brought this up on my radio show many times.
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How if you think about every woman in your life that was, let's just use the word crazy, they always always had a bad relationship with their father.
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Always.
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It's never not happened.
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Would you agree?
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I don't like to say never, but I would say generally you're right.
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I mean, they can have it like a lot of women that that message me when I talk about this that say, Well, hey, my father died when I was young.
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I'm like, okay, but you you probably had another strong father figure that stepped in, like a good stepfather, an uncle, an older brother.
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And those anyway, that's just my own little my own little thing.
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Yeah, well, you know, my father exited early in my life.
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And my mother tried to play both roles, but she realized that she fully couldn't do that.
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So she would try to set us up with very good role models.
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Uh whenever she discovered somebody who was willing to uh let some boys hang out with them, who were solid figures, who believed in hard work, who believed in God, who had ethical foundation.
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She would try to make sure that we could spend some time with them.
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But you were very close with your mother?
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Yes.
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Yes, I was.
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In fact, um, you know, both my brother and I worked very hard to try to please her.
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Because we knew how hard she was working.
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And she would work two and three jobs at a time, leaving the house at five in the morning, getting back at midnight, going from job to job to job because she wanted to maintain control over her own house, and she didn't want to be dependent on the government.
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And a lot of people thought that was strange.
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They're always saying, Oh, come on, you government will give you this and that and that.
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She really wasn't interested.
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Do you have do you have any daughters?
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I do not.
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I never I never had sisters, I never had daughters.
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How many boys do you have?
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Three sons.
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So do I.
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So do I.
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And they all got married in 2011.
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Oh, they did?
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Oh my gosh.
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Oh.
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Mine are all in college right now.
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All three of them.
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Yeah.
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Um, you being a nurse, so side note, because I know you uh I what was it?
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You separated twins that had the same brain?
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Is that uh is there there's a word for that, right?
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Or is it they were occipital occipital craniopagus, which means they were joined at the back of the head.
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And uh that's a very precarious place to be joined because all the drainage systems for the brain come through that way, which is why it never worked before.
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And what year was that?
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Uh 1987.
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And are the are they it was successful?
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They're still around?
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Well, it was successful in that they survived for many years.
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Oh.
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Um, I don't consider it fully successful because uh because I have seen a fully successful case, case that we did in South Africa, uh, and they were what we call type II vertical craniopagus.
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They would join at the top of the head facing in opposite directions.
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There had been 13 attempts to separate twins like that before, none of which had been successful.
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But some of the things we learned from the other cases made it possible to separate twins, and they're adults now, and they're perfectly normal.
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That's fantastic.
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My when I tell you I had three sons, my wife and I actually also had twin girls, but they were they were joined by the they were sharing a placenta and they had what's called twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome, and uh it was terrible.
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It it didn't, it one they one was born stillborn, and the other one lived nine days.
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They couldn't.
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Yeah, it was a disaster.
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But when I hear about the successful separation of twins, that's fantastic.
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Well, it's it still hurts when you think about those babies.
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It does, especially because it was on Valentine's Day, right?
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Every Valentine's Day, uh my wife is uh it's an emotional roller coaster of a day.
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And I try to I try to focus on the three boys to let her know hey, look, we wouldn't have these if it wasn't for that.
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I and and it's just it's just a tough time.
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Another thing speaking to brains, my mother, my mother uh had a GBM.
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How terrible is that?
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Yeah, that's about the worst thing you can get.
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I know, right?
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It was a it was a level four.
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She lived 18 months.
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That's a long time for a grade four, clear blessing.
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That's what I hear, yeah.
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And that was in 2011.
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And then now you hear, I now hear all these things.
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I mean, they're still 18 months, it's still a long time, but there's all these trials, and there's all I saw this thing on TikTok that was like nicotine gets rid of GBMs.
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I mean, is that is that can't be true, right?
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No, that's not true.
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But uh, I mean, I think we will eventually have a solution.
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It probably will not be a surgical solution.
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It will probably depend on the immune system.
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I found I'm sorry, being able to detect and destroy uh at an early stage.
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I found this clinic in Cancun, Mexico.
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They're called it's called Immunoscene is the name of the clinic.
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And I guess they can do a lot of stuff there they can't do here.
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And one and I interviewed one of the doctors um, and they tell me this makes sense if I'm saying it right, but they can come up with a vaccine specifically for that human being that has cancer for their for their tumor, and they inject the tumor with whatever, and there's like an 80% success rate.
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It's very expensive, but it it gets rid of the tumors.
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Familiar?
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Uh yes, I've heard about that.
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Um it could have some merit.
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It's obviously gonna have to be something that can be duplicated and shown to work widely.
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Uh so I'm always a little skeptical uh when people say they have these great cures for things, because if there was all that great, it would really get out there pretty quickly.
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Yeah, true.
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What's your take right now?
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I think one of the biggest things, I saw this thing about status symbols now in in life, or uh, you know, it used to be Ferraris and it used to be floor seats to a Lakers game, but now they're saying it's longevity.
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It's uh and there's all these biohackers that are out there now.
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What's your take on that stuff?
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Well, you know, I think uh it doesn't really matter how long you live, as long as you lead a successful life.
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And uh because it's quite frankly, against the backdrop of eternity, if you're here for one day or 100 years, it's about the same.
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I guess you're right.
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But while you're here on this planet, so you can live a healthier life, is there anything you recommend?
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I I saw this guy.
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What what what do you got?
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Uh well, as you know, uh the current administration's been working very hard on the food pyramid and uh on the dietary guidelines, and it makes a huge difference.
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Uh you know, we have all these things going on in our country, uh massive increase in uh autism, uh ADHD, uh a whole bunch of chronic illnesses, uh, diabetes, much more so than people have in other developed countries.
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And one thing that we're finding uh that we allow that they don't allow is a lot of highly processed foods.
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And uh we take a lot of the God-given natural uh nutrients out and replace them with artificial colors and artificial flavors and artificial what, that, this, that, and the other.
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That's not doing our people any good.
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I have a very good friend who has a difficult case of diabetes.
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And uh so last year he went to Italy uh to a villa on the Amalfi coast, and he spent three months there.
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His diabetes completely disappeared.
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What?
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Completely.
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But he was eating fresh fruits and vegetables right out of the garden at the villa every day.
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Uh very little in the way of processed foods.
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Uh exercising, drinking plenty of water.
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If we did those things, in fact, I'm very fond of saying if if if everybody ate three well-balanced meals, drank six to eight glasses of water, exercised regularly, got regular sleep, and didn't put harmful substances in their bodies, most people in medicine would be out of a job.
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Wow.
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Having said that, medicine is a very good occupation because they're not going to do it.
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Right.
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Is there any kind of special foods that you eat that you treat yourself?
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Do you do you ever have a uh a soda?
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Do you eat ice cream with chemicals in it, or you eat it a clean eater?
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I try to stick to a healthy diet, but I will occasionally submit to a donut or something.
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There you go.
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Okay.
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So you are human.
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I'd say you gotta die of something.
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The guy that went to Italy, I've heard about those stories before where you go there and like you they eat bread, they eat pasta, they eat all the stuff that we wouldn't eat here because it's like that's bad for you, but they eat it there and it works because there's no chemicals in the food.
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Exactly.
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Uh they're tasty.
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I mean, have you been to Italy?
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A long time ago.
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Oh my goodness, some of the food is unbelievable.
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I know that's actually why every every year uh my family takes a trip somewhere.
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We were in London and Amsterdam over the summer, and I tried to make it an active trip so that we're out, we're walking, we're hiking, we're doing something, and they all want to go to Italy, and I'm afraid because of the food, because I love to eat and I just don't want to be, you know, get that carb tiredness, you know.
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I've lost a hundred pounds in my time and I don't want to gain it back.
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I see very, very few fat people over there.
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Right?
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It's pretty wild.
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But you know, they walk up and down the stairs.
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You see 80, 80-year-old women carrying heavy packages, 100, 200 steps, and it doesn't even win them.
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I know.
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I saw I saw that documentary on Netflix, everyone's eating the purple potatoes.
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But you know, there are you you've probably heard of the blue zones.
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Yes, that's why I was watching the documentary on that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, there are seven of them in the world.
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One of them happens to be in the United States of America.
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Where?
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Uh Loma Linda, California, San Bernardino County.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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You have a lot of people there who live to be a hundred years old or more.
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Because that's a stronghold for Seventh-day Adventists.
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Oh.
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Who have a tremendous emphasis on diet and healthy living.
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So you actually learned that in medical school.
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All first-year medical students learned that there are certain communities in our country that live for a very long time and it's related to lifestyle.
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And it helps doctors to realize that that's a major part of health as lifestyle.
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And community, like having friends and eating right.
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Absolutely.
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There's this guy, uh, Brian Johnson.
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Have you heard of him?
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He's trying to live to be like 400 years old.
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Have you heard of this guy yet?