What Do You Gain from Thousands of Hikes If Not Fitness?

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Okay, so welcome to our podcast.

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This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.

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This podcast, I just like, I just talk.

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I just want to like, I'm not even gonna introduce you, you know, that we're just gonna talk, I'd probably say another thing, but this is Craig DeMarco anyway.

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And I wanted to have you on because yeah, you have all these great restaurants, but I just love your biohacking life.

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If it falls under the umbrella of biohacking, or is it spiritual?

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Well, what is it?

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What is because I know you you the retreats you do, and I'm gonna get into that, but also the fact that you hike camelback every day.

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Do you still do that?

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A lot, yeah.

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Did you do it today?

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I think I did not do it this morning.

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I'm I had a long meditation this morning, but I I've been doing camelback since 1988.

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And I'm I haven't I've been counted every single hike, but I'm probably in the mid 4500, 4600 hikes, so over a long, long span of time.

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But and I always joke with people, you know, when I start hiking camelback, it was much lower in elevation.

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And I hike to the top and I drop all my emotional baggage, and now it's actually taller than it was when I started.

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So I I mean, I love that mountain so much.

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It's just it's so special to me.

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But do you time it?

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Have you timed it?

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I used to.

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I'm in 55 now and I can't hammer like I used to hammer.

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When I was in my 20s, I could go sub-20 minutes without much effort.

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But that was when I was doing it 300 days a year.

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Are you going Echo, Choya, both?

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I do Echo almost 99% of the time.

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I'll do Choya when the people in town that want to see a different perspective of the valley or a trail.

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But I love Echo Canyon.

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Is there a hack to it?

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Because I know what like how do you handle it in the summertime?

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Early, headlamp most of the time.

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Like four?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, 4 30.

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I'd get up there, 4 30, 4 45.

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You know, and again, not I'm not complaining, but as I get older, the doing it in the heat is getting harder.

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Yeah.

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I could handle it in my 20s when it was 100 degrees, but now it's it wipes you out pretty good.

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Okay, let me ask you this because you have you have two boys, right?

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Yep.

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Do you um they obviously know you do that?

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Did they ever go with you?

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Did you make them go with you?

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When they were younger, we went up and it was great.

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I mean, it was really special to me.

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But I always told them, you know, I I by the time they got up to go to school or when they were young enough to remember, I had already hiked a mountain.

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Everything else in my day was just gonna be easier.

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Right.

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I already accomplished something substantial.

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Right.

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And that was kind of a message we had in our family.

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Get up and accomplish something in the morning.

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Set your day off in the right, in the right direction.

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Right.

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So I kind of used that was my that was my thing that I did, that really got me going for the day.

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Now, did your father do that for you?

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Wow, great question.

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My dad was a crazy entrepreneur and he was traveled a lot.

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He was a salesperson, so he's gone a lot.

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Um, I remember his hustle, I don't remember his routines.

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That's a great question.

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I'd like to ask him.

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Thanks for reminding me.

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I'm gonna call him when we get down here and ask him what his routines were when he was really getting after it as a as a younger adult with a family.

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Well, for me, I remember my father always said, healthy body, healthy mind, and he was always exercising.

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There was a point where my my weight fluctuated when I was a kid.

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And I remember when I was like 14, he would take me to 24-hour fitness and we'd work out, but I think he was taking me there so that I would work out.

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So when when I got older and had kids, my weight fluctuated a lot.

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And I wanted to make sure my kids didn't have that problem growing up.

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So when they got to the age, my dad died of a heart attack in 66, and he was in great shape.

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So I was like, holy shit, I I gotta do, and I was I was 350 pounds.

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So I like got in shape, dropped some weight, and I thought, I don't want these three kids to go through that.

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So I started exercising, I started going into yoga, doing bicker yoga.

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And whenever they got in trouble, I would take them with me.

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That was their punishment, 90 minutes of bicker yoga, because I learned that from a woman in class.

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And then I realized I don't want them to associate being in trouble with yoga.

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So as they got older, I started doing orange theory, and I took them with me to orange theory classes, and it turned into this competition, and it turned into this great bonding for me and the boys.

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So now all three of them are in college, and all three of them on their own eat right, exercise, 9% body fat.

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You know what I mean?

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Not that we I measure it, but but I mean they just actually got it measured on their own.

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So I'm like, I always so I was just curious if your kids have taken that dad, I count back every day.

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I'm gonna go ride a bike today, or I'm gonna lift weights today.

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We've always promoted an active lifestyle, we've always promoted clean eating.

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Um, so they've had that a lot when they were young.

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We had to be very careful though, not to, you know, be so in control of them that they felt like it they were obsessed about it.

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And a couple times I had to make sure that they could enjoy being a youth and they can go to Chick-fil-A.

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Sure.

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And they can, you know, that's what their peer group does.

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And so we weren't so rigid, but we did have a habit of a family of living clean and living healthy and being active.

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And I know and I watch some of your kids play sports, and it was important for our family, for our kids to be in youth sports.

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Same here.

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We even questioned sometimes whether we had them overloaded, running from practice to tournament to practice.

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At the end of the day, it decreased screen time, it kept them active, and the lessons they learned being on teams, those are the lessons you take with you for the rest of your life.

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You're right.

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You're right, you're totally right.

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But would you say, like, let's take your camel back, you hike in camelback?

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Were you obsessed?

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Is that an obsession?

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Yeah, and everyone, everyone that knows how much I've hiked camelback and how much I love it, assumed it was for all physical benefits, but it really was the opposite.

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Yeah.

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You know, I've had some anxiety in my life, and it really helped me to one, you know, have an outlet to go up there and spend some time.

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And it's it's almost for me, it's meditative.

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Before I even really started practicing meditation, now I realize all those hour, hour and 10 minutes up and down camelback, it was a meditative practice for me.

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I totally get it.

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You know, I stuck um I've been going to Cancun and Kabul getting stem cells, and I met this guy last year, about a year ago today, right around a year ago this time, um, and he's a huge hiker, and he's from here.

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And we connected while getting stem cells, and he was like, Come hiking with me.

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And because I had I have some calcium in my heart, and I've got to somehow figure that out, right?

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And one of the things to do for cardiovascular issues is cardio.

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And so I was like, Yeah, I'll go hiking with you.

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And I went hiking with this dude maybe two or three times a week.

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Uh, and it's just different.

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You're right.

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Like, my mind, it's just this peace, it's like it like lowers stress.

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Like, but like you hike alone, or you also ever hike with people?

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I rarely go with anyone else because it's my practice.

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I think my wife joke about this, and I've hiked with her, but she knows it's what I do for myself.

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Right.

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And I have I have a little, again, routine and system, and over the decades I've changed.

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I used to listen to a lot of aggressive music while I was hiking, you know, just because I wanted to charge it.

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Now I'm I I I listen to content.

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Sometimes I don't listen to anything, I listen to my footsteps, really, depending on what I'm trying to how I want to live my day that day.

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But that's camelback.

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Do you do other hikes?

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Yeah, but camelback, we live again pretty close.

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Right.

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You know, I proposed on camelback, we got married on camelback.

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It's it's a special part of my life.

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Right.

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And it's close.

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But I when I do have a chance, when I'm traveling, we were opening a new postino in um Colorado in Westminster.

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And between the lunch and the dinner shifts on our friends and family events, I ran over and hiked Cinitas and Boulder and did a cold plunge in the river and had made it back before dinner service.

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So I'll work hard to find those opportunities.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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Cold plunge of the river is different, isn't it?

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It's a it's a different deal.

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It's different like your cold plunge when the water's moving.

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That's a psycho cold plunge.

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It's a different deal.

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I remember being in yours and feel like razors going across my chest.

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Dude, you know what's funny?

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I got, I went, I was in Cancun two weeks ago getting stem cells, and I I'm the in my own the doctors told me three days, no cold plunge, no sauna, no hot tub.

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And I'm like, I feel like it has to be longer than that.

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So I'm on two weeks of no hot tub, no cold plunge, and it's just messing me up.

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I need that cold plunge.

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I my new thing now, I love the sauna now.

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I've been doing the sauna for about a year and a half.

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I love the sauna.

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But let me jump back to the meditation.

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When you said you did meditation today, what was that and what started that?

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And how has it helped?

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So I always, you know, dabbled with meditation through some apps or you know, my own exploring, and I really wanted to get more serious about an educated.

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So I started following this guy named Joe Dispenza, who I become a raving fan of.

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Oh, he's the one that was the Nashville thing.

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I went to a week-long retreat in Nashville, my first retreat with him in Nashville last year, and then I went and did it in um Cancun, another week with him in Cancun, and learned more about the practice of meditation, a lot of the science behind it.

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And I've been about on a year and a half now of a real meditation practice where I understand meditation differently than I used to.

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I used to think it was, again, any practice is beneficial.

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What I used to do was more like relaxation techniques.

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Now, to be able to meditate and really get outside of myself into my subconscious and lower my high-level beta brain waves down to alpha and theta and delta and understand how it really works.

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It's been an important part of my life.

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How long is like is your meditation, like 10 years of meditation?

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I do an hour almost every morning.

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So will you meditate and also hike every once in a while, or is it one of those?

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Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure.

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And if I if I don't do it for I like doing the meditation first thing in the morning again, start a routine and a start to my day to set some intentions, but if I hike instead, I'll I'll I'll pick up my meditation sometime else during the day.

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And it's quiet, like can you do it in the office?

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Can you do it?

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Where do you do it?

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I do it in my home office, headphones, mask, and uh completely sensory deprived.

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Because I think obviously you can just go a little deeper that way.

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Uh-huh.

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And are you sitting uh on a pillow or you do how are you doing it?

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Yeah, I do sit.

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Um I will, I there's obviously different types of meditation.

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Sometimes in the evening I'll do it laying down, just trying to downshift from a crazy day.

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But in the morning I sit up, um, I have uh I have certain meditations that are guided that I follow, and they're all right around an hour.

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And you know, my good days, I don't have to struggle to to to drop into that that state.

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Some days I have to fight for it.

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And I'll when I finally get there though, it's it's so worth the effort.

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And you know, when I first started, your body's just raging, it's screaming at you, it doesn't want to do it, and it doesn't understand, and you want to get busy because you're used to being productive, and taming that kind of inner beast was my hurdle.

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I had to really be able to let my body rage and not take action.

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And I'm usually quick to take some action.

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I'm kind of a quick twitch person.

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Are you going to sleep at a reasonable hour?

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Like to sleep, do you look at it?

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I'm a nine to five sleeper.

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Okay.

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I usually go to bed at nine and I'm pretty much up by five.

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Okay, so if you're up at five, when's the meditation to start?

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Five, ten.

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Okay, and dogs, family, wife, kids, they know dad's doing his thing, leave them alone.

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Yeah, and good news is my my family and pets don't wake up that early, so I usually don't have any trouble with that.

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But I mean I go directly to it.

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And like anything else, being disciplined and getting some reps in, like anything, you just get better.

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But if you do get interrupted, is it a big deal?

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I I don't care for it, but part of the practice is not making it a big deal.

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Right, right.

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So uh I've been so my wife meditates.

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In fact, Ian, our friend Ian our mutual great friend, he got her involved.

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I don't know if he's tried to get you involved in this meditation group with uh the people in India.

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I've logged on a couple times and done some um online meditations with him.

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She does it every day with them, every day, right?

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We have six dogs.

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Sometimes, if it's the weekend, see when I get up at 3 a.m.

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and I'm gone, she can meditate, no stress, and the dogs are away.

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But on the weekend, I get up, I go do something, all six dogs will run and jump on her in the middle of her meditation and it messes it all up.

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But she just keeps going.

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Dogs are calling her, she keeps going.

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But that meditation is a different type of meditation, or do you do you like it?

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Is it totally different than your meditation?

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No, no, it's similar.

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I think they all have some commonality between them.

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What I like about the Joe Dispenza teachings is during the retreat, the week-long retreat, you start learning how to meditate and education about it, and then at the end of the retreat, you do these walking meditations with your eyes open.

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So I can really, you know, I can practice that at any point in time.

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And I remember listening to an interview with Sting from the police a long time ago when he was talking about walking around New York City, and as he walked around, he could meditate.

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So I don't so those disruptions or disturbances really, if you have a healthy practice, you should be able to not be impacted them as much as like at my my older state where I would just get react to everything.

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I don't react to it.

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Yeah, you get interrupted, no big deal, and you let it go.

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So well, it's like the guys that I was talking about with Ian and my wife.

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They talk about being in a beautiful state and always being in a beautiful state and trying to stay in that beautiful state.

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And I learned so much, I spent I spent four days with them in South Carolina over the summer.

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I was helping them with a thing that Ian and my wife got me involved in.

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Um, and it changed my life.

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Like I've really learned to look at things differently, right?

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It's not if if there's chaos or something happens at work, you don't freak out over it anymore, or do you?

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I'm way better than I used to be.

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Again, it's still a practice, but I gotta tell you, Ian's given me many gifts, and that was one of them.

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He's he's really taught me a lot of things.

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One, you know, have a big vision, two, really pull things in the universe you want towards you.

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And you know, I've been at his house for cold plunges and breathing exercises, and I would say he he's introduced me to a lot of amazing things.

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One of those things I want to get into is I wasn't is uh is uh the back thing we did.

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The oh yeah, right?

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What do you call that?

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Drop table.

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Is that what you call it?

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Because every time I told I tell somebody I do the drop table, I get they say, Oh, this.

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I'm like, no, no, no, that's not even close.

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Like it might even be illegal, right?

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I don't know if it's illegal, it's definitely not certified or regulated, especially by the people the guy that did it to me, because you go to the girl, right?

00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.360
I've done Max Van Orman with the same guy you went to, right?

00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:11.679
I've done him and I've went Ashton and Ashton Ashton and Dusty.

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And I've done Dusty's a couple hundred times.

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Wow.

00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:17.919
Maybe not that many, maybe a hundred times, 120 times.

00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:27.759
I've done Ashton, let's say five times, and it is one of the most amazing things, especially when you go to his office now where he moved it, where it's like in a real estate office.

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Right.

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Right.

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And then you get this back procedure done that you think you should be willing out of there in a wheelchair, but you're not, and it feels amazing.

00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:40.799
But he's also uh it's such a is when you do it with Dusty.

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Do you get this moment where there's that moment where you think you're gonna die?

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Does it still happen?

00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:53.039
I've always have a moment of hesitation, like I shouldn't do this, but I usually do it after body work in a pretty relaxed state.

00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:53.279
Okay.

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Had a high level of trust with her, right?

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You know, I've been in that environment, you know, where it wasn't so relaxed and with Max and with Ashton.

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Part I think the part of the benefit is the surrender, also.

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Right.

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Not only the physical part of it, but giving in.

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You're out of control.

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You're giving up your control.

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You're you're strapped down, there's no going anywhere.

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You got the mouth guard in, you've got next thing.

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Yeah, uh, maybe we could post I'll post a video because I one time I took a video I posted on Instagram.

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I remember that video.

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Ashton was like, take that down.

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Yeah.

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Which is probably a mad.

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But I found a lot of benefit from it.

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Me too.

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Uh, but I'm I'm I get more scared every time I go.

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But but anyway.

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In fact, you know what?

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Sometimes he has um people come over, his patients come over and use my hot tub and cold plunge after a session now.

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I'm part of his routine.

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It's been a while, but but hey, um, let's talk about some of the businesses you have.

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Because is is the most recent air guitar?

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Because I think I texted you from there when I went, I was in Gilbert and I see that.

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Oh, that's Craig's place.

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I've been going there.

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I'm like, what the heck?

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Yeah, that's it.

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We're still trying to figure it out, but it's it's kind of this hybrid of a convenience store, meets a small grocery, meets a skateboard shop, meets a funky retailer.

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We're still trying to figure out what it is, its identity.

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And you know, East Valley is full of young families and youth sports, and we really wanted it to be a community center that happened to have all these fun products.

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So we're really getting that now.

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And like Sunday mornings, we have the Arizona Run Club there, 200 people taking off and and running, starting and ending there, and it's really becoming that place.

00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:28.480
But how does that come up?

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Like where how long from when you someone had the idea to when you opened, and what how did that idea get pitched?

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So it started out.

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We have a place over in Encaninas, California, and we have some friends that had a place there.

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And my partner, our partner, my wife and I's partner in the business, um, is the largest chevron operator in Arizona.

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They have 21 chevrons.

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And I was just intrigued about business, any type of business.

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So I always ask him about how his business works and inside his four walls and how the how the convenience store model works.

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And I always got intrigued by it because it's very high margin, very low labor.

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But convenience store experiences are all transactional, and there's nothing great, there's no design about it.

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It's just it's just a transaction.

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And we kind of sat around drinking margaritas going, what happens if you took a convenience store model and made it experiential and put good design to the building, it had a great playlist, and had people that actually delivered great hospitality, and you still carried those products, and that was kind of how it started, and then it kept evolving, and we bought a hard corner out in Gilbert and built an award-winning building and filled it full of really fun stuff, and now it's where does the name air guitar come from?

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Is it are you writing things down on a chalkboard?

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And this is this is the story.

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So my wife and I were in um Encinitas, or we're in San Diego, and he my partner was flying in, and we said we'd scoop him up at the airport.

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Flew in San Diego, and he we're in the car, and he jumps in the backseat.

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And I'm not making this up, Guns N' Roses Paradise City was on.

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And he's just he's he's got a great spirit about him.

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And he's like jamming on air car in the back seat.

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And my wife was hysterical.

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She's like, oh my god, we should just call this place air guitar.

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Because really, if you think of air guitar, it's it's more of a it's more of an action than it is a a word.

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It's it anything gets you to have a reaction and take an enjoy a pure joyful moment.

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So then we went and drank a bunch of margaritas and the name just stuck.

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It was like, all right, it's air guitar, and it means nothing really other than it's a funny thing to do when you're happy.

00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:20.960
You know what's funny?

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Because I read somewhere that like Exxon, because you said your friend has the Exxon or Chevron, what's it have?

00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:25.599
Chevron?

00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:26.240
Chevron, yeah.

00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:32.799
Okay, because I heard Exxon was one, and same with Kodak, that those were uh marketing names that companies just came up with that don't mean anything.

00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:33.279
Yeah.

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Like but we were just being goofy and you know it wasn't literal, and now it's kind of got a brand behind it, and it's funny.

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But I remember when we opened, like we're partners in Legrande Orange Grocery.

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We opened Legrande Orange, and no one could figure that name out and what it meant.

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Right.

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You know, and now years later, it's just it's common now.

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Everyone's just like, yeah, LGL, Legrande Orange.

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My wife was there today.

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Yeah.

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In fact, last night we ate it this week.

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I had to go to this company function, and next door to the function was the herb box.

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Yep.

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That restaurant, the herb box.

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Yeah.

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We go in there, and my wife sees the food when she goes, Let's get that brownie right there.

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So we got the brownie.

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I go, This brownie's delicious.

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Where'd you get it?

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We got it from Le Grande Orange.

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I was like, wow, all right, very good.

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Crazy.

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Le Grand Orange turned 23 years old in June.

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So June 3rd is was 23 years.

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It's coming up in 24, and Postino across the parking lot will be 25 years, April 4th of 26.

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So Postino's first?

00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:25.839
Postino's was first.

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Which one?

00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.640
Chris and I opened Postino Arcadia.

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What?

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That was first?

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April 4th, 2001.

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We rolled right into 9-11, crazy times.

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A year later, June 3rd, 2022, 2002, sorry, we opened up Le Grand Orange.

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So that corner, yeah.

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Wait, was it that Postino first and then that LGO?

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Yeah.

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And then you started doing everything else?

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Those were the first two things you guys did?

00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:48.960
First two, yeah.

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How did Postino come about?

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My wife and I um went to Italy for my 30th birthday with my parents.

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We were bumping around north of Florence in a little town called Luca that Chris Bianco recommended to us to go check out.

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Every little town we went to had this little wine bar, you know, and it was super casual, shorts, t-shirt, flip-flops, inexpensive wine, people just hanging out.

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We came back to Phoenix, it didn't exist.

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We were walking our dogs, we do boxer rescue, we're walking our dogs up and down Campbell Avenue because we lived over in that neighborhood at the time.

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And we walked by this old building that was a brick building by Phoenix standards.

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It was old, it was 1959.

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By Italy, that's you know, that's right.

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It's brand new.

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And we uh we pitched the landlord on the deal and and opened up Postino with really, really no idea what we were doing.

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And then a year later we did Le Grand Orange with our we still partners in that business.

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And but when you open up Postino, are you there working in the restaurant?

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Or are you like, I just want to run, I just want to have the restaurant have other people doing?

00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:48.960
I wish we had that option.

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There was no option.

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We opened up uh with no with no real capital in the bank.

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We were in debt, we had to do it all ourselves.

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We were right, so you were in there making the food.

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We were 16, 18 hours a day.

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Yeah, my mom was out in front.

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Chris and I were there, bell to bell, even more.

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And we did that for a good 17 years.

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And we uh we have a partner in that business named Lauren Bailey who's an incredible talent who contributed at a ridiculously high level, and then we we grew it.

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Now we've got 38 or 39 Postinos seven states.

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What?

00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:18.160
Yeah, it's crazy.

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Like yeah, but it 2024 years, and and a whole bunch of amazing people contributed to the success.

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You know, it's fun that everyone associates with it, and we get to take this credit, but there's a lot of people that have their fingerprints all over it.

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And we were one thing I'm happy about, we were humble enough to take the help, right?

00:21:35.680 --> 00:21:36.640
A lot of people, right?

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A lot of people you know.

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I mean, just the neighbors, our neighbors, our community.

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A lot of people, you know, Sam Fox helped us.

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It was it was great.

00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:48.319
So when you went from Postino to LGO, same partners or even more partners, different partners?

00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:49.519
Different partners, yeah.

00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.880
So is that weird?

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No, no, I mean it's kind of like you know how the industry works.

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And we have we're partners in Chelsea's too with the partners from LGO, and they're not they're not partners in Postino, though.

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And then now we have some private equity partners in Postino to help us grow.

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Are you gonna be like Sam and eventually just sell everything?

00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:08.240
Yeah, we'll see.

00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:08.960
I don't I don't know.

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I I I'm so connected to it in terms of my heart and soul.

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Right.

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I I I really struggle with thinking about not being connected to it.

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Right.

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You know, I've had to also kind of address my identities wrapped up in there.

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It's kind of you know what we've done.

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And back to my comment earlier about Eric Guitar being a community center, that corner was important for the neighborhood.

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Right.

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We that's where the neighborhood came and we met people, and we've been around long enough now.

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We've had a couple who had a first date, ended up getting married, had kids, and now their kids work for us.

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That's special.

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Yeah, that doesn't happen a lot, right?

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You know, so and I could tell, I could, we could sit here for hours.

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I could just tell you of amazing moments that have happened inside the restaurants where people shared something special.

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And if we can provide that for the community, that means more to me than any amount of money will ever make.

00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.960
So I'm pretty emotional about it.

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Yeah, I know.

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I get it.

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That's wonderful.

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That's amazing.

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That's where I met Ian.

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I mean, I and when Ian had that one yoga up on 32nd and in uh Lincoln at the time, that was a community center.

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And those people after his class would come down to La Grande Orange, and it was LGO is something like we we go there every weekend.

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Like we it's a perfect walk from my house.

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Even in the hundred degrees, we walk out there and try it.

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We'll move my wife and I will go to bed and we'll look okay.

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So tomorrow it's gonna get 100 at 11.

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So let's get to LGO around eight.

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You know what I mean?

00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:29.680
So we'll we do it's like we plan our days around.

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That's that's great, man.

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We've got a partner there named Bob Lynn who's who's uh an amazing, he's amazing with food, and he helped develop that.

00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:37.839
I mean, he developed that whole menu.

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It's it's pretty remarkable.

00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:40.559
I know Bob, he used to be my yoga class.

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:41.839
Yeah, super talent.

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.640
I can't push him to run the daybreaker longer than it was supposed to be.

00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:46.079
I was a big fan of the daybreaker.

00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:48.240
Big fan of your English muffins too, dude.

00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:49.680
Yeah, he's he's a super talent.

00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.200
Does he who where's that come from?

00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:52.480
Who makes is he makes the food?

00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:58.240
He he's the one Bob's like, these are how because these those English muffins, you know, I also love Overeasy, the restaurant Overeasy.

00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:02.000
And one of the big things in Overeasy when I do their commercials, I do love their breakfast.

00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:04.160
But it was like, hey, here's a new commercial.

00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:06.799
We now have English muffins from LGO.

00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.119
Like that's in the commercial, right?

00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:14.000
Bob's a ridiculously, he's a ridiculously talented culinary person.

00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:16.640
Does he have anything else besides LGO?

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:21.759
So he's partners, uh, we're partners with him at Chelsea's, but then he's partners in Ingos and Buck and Rider.

00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:22.079
Okay.

00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:23.039
And then he's got some other concepts.

00:24:23.119 --> 00:24:25.279
He lives in lots of not us.

00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:25.599
Okay.

00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.200
Bob does with with other partners.

00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.680
So it's kind of like, you know, we all have things, yeah.

00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:36.559
You know, we we have our upper projects, which is Postino, Windsor, Churn, Joyride, and um Federal Pizza.

00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.559
And that's with our partner Lauren Bailey.

00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:47.680
And she's our current CEO, and just again, I'm so fortunate to have so many talented people in my life that I get to learn from on a daily basis.

00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:49.279
Is there a new project coming out?

00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:51.039
Or what's like what's the next one?

00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:53.680
You know, we're trying to figure out what we're gonna do with Air Guitar.

00:24:55.200 --> 00:25:10.799
Again, kind of like Camelback, you know, when I was 25 or 30, I had a different energy level, and I love what we're doing, but it it's it's harder to work 16 hours a day, and I don't know really that I want to spend 16 hours a day grinding like we used to.

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:13.119
I'm finding other things in life to enjoy.

00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.359
You know, it's funny, I completely relate to you.

00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:18.799
I just signed uh another five years with my radio show.

00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.599
This doesn't start until January, and I'm like, I love doing what I do, I just love it.

00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:29.200
I can't see me doing anything else, but I also at some point need to chill, right?

00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.079
You start to have those moments where like I'm getting into meditation.

00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.640
Maybe it's just the evolution of guys, what happens to us, right?

00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:36.559
Because I feel very on par with what you're saying.

00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:37.759
Like I want to travel more.

00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.000
I didn't get the travel bug until recently.

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:41.920
I was too afraid to leave.

00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:48.640
I was afraid that if I left and took vacation and wasn't on the air, something would happen.

00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.160
So I set it up where I could do my show from vacation.

00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:58.559
Um, and now most recently we went to Europe for a couple weeks, and I was like, what did I do?

00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.559
How did I I I gotta do this more often?

00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.799
In fact, when I would talk to you about Pete on this podcast, you were like, Hey, I forget where you were.

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.640
You're like, We're in Europe like and I think you were there a long time, right?

00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:10.000
How long were you there this last time?

00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:11.119
A week, a week.

00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.000
Oh, just a week?

00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:12.160
Yeah.

00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:13.680
I thought I thought it was longer than that.

00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:15.920
I got back and immediately got whatever was going around.

00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:17.839
So that's it delayed a little more.

00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:20.960
Yeah, we were in south of France with some friends, and it was amazing.

00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:21.920
And I'm very fortunate.

00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.880
Like, I've I've known my wife for 36 years, and we've been 38 years, we've been married for 26.

00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:36.720
She got me into traveling, she exposed me to so much stuff, and you know, being partners with your wife in a business is you know, it has its own challenges, but she's she's remarkable.

00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.000
And she was there in the beginning.

00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:45.039
I mean, she spent a decade in Le Grand Orange, bell to bell, like open to close.

00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.319
She was in there and every single day of the week.

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.119
And we did this, you know, together, but she was we were we were aligned.

00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:57.039
And it now we're like, you know, we want to we want to explore the rest of the world a little bit.

00:26:57.279 --> 00:27:00.400
Yeah, that's how my wife my wife's like, I want to go into safari.

00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:01.200
Let's go do that.

00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.240
I'm like, okay, eventually I think we'll get there, but I still want to do more.

00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:16.400
Like we were in Amsterdam, and uh, I don't know if you've done this yet with all your traveling, but I want to go back because I want to go to all the countryside villages, like what you did in Italy, like finding a place like Luca, but the am the the Dutch version of that.

00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:17.599
Have you ever done anything like that?

00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.559
Gone around Holland?

00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.079
My wife is a crazy, amazing travel planner.

00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:25.839
We just did Amsterdam with my 15-year-old for his spring break.

00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:26.319
Oh.

00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:31.359
And and went uh, took some trains and went and saw some cool stuff outside of Amsterdam.

00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:36.079
And she she finds, I don't know, she's a she's a uh she's a researcher like crazy.

00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.519
So I I I'm the beneficiary of all of her researching and hard work.

00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.519
So whenever we travel, she finds the most unique things to do.

00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.519
But we talked about the kids too, like exposing your kids to that at a young age.

00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:54.319
My parents, we didn't have the financial means to travel like that when I was young, so it's fun to show our kids those things.

00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.880
Did your kids work in the restaurants at all coming up?00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:08.960


So Chaz did when he was uh, let's see, started out at churn scooping ice cream when he was 16, then he worked at Postino, and now that he's in school, he just hit Chris and I up the other day with a restaurant business plan.00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:10.079


Oh, nice.00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.759


Yeah, well, you know, so yeah, so we're talking about that now.00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:14.799


Pretty exciting.00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.359


Uh it warms my heart that he wants to be entrepreneurial.00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:17.599


Right.00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.720


I was just hoping, I'm hoping both my kids find that path.00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:26.240


No pressure if they don't, but um, yeah, so I just gotta figure out how to how to support him.00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:32.640


Are there any success books that you read coming up that helped you with your career and and life?00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:40.559


Yeah, so my dad, when I was 18, gave me two Dale Carnegie books, How to Win Friends and Influence People and How to Stop Worrying and Start Living.00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.799


And I think those are two of the best books ever written for an entrepreneurial lifestyle.00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:45.119


Yeah.00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.839


And I don't think about being an entrepreneurial business related.00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:49.279


It's a lens you look through at life.00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:51.039


You know, my dad gave me those same books.00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.960


He also gave me The Magic of Thinking Big by David Schwartz.00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:55.200


Yeah.00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.160


Fantastic book.00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.920


And of course, Norman Vincent Peel, the positive, the power of positive thinking.00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:01.119


I read those exact same books.00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:01.920


All those books.00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:03.920


I read The Alchemist every January 1st.00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:05.039


Never read it.00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:07.519


Every starts my year off.00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:08.000


Wow.00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.039


It's and really it's it's less self-improvement.00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:20.160


It's more about it's taught me or it reminds me to listen to my heart as I make all these other logical decisions to kind of check in.00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:22.880


So what are other things you're doing for your health?00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:24.319


Wow.00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:31.039


Okay, so I've probably backed off on the on the biohacking type stuff.00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:32.400


I don't know what else to call it.00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.319


Yeah, I know, and I struggle with that too.00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:41.440


I and I love the new things and you know, experimenting, like through our our peer group who hey, try this, try that.00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.480


Some things worked, and I've kind of fine-tuned my lifestyle.00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:50.000


I find now more a routine that in a pace is more important for me.00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:55.519


You know, finding second gear, not being in fifth gear and foot on the gas, full throttle all the time.00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:59.200


So things I can do to learn how to find the in between gears.00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:07.279


Because I do believe and I love driving I love being driven, but when you're driven, you're going pretty fast and I think you're missing a lot of beauty in the world.00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:15.200


And I think those are some things that enrich your life and improve your health if you slow down and find those joyful and beautiful moments.00:30:15.759 --> 00:30:16.799


So I like using that.00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:21.119


But would you say before you do this, are you uh do you have ADHD symptoms?00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.279


Are you going 100 miles an hour doing 10 different things?00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:25.440


I really like going fast.00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.200


I really like stress hormones.00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:28.160


I like the feel of it.00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.359


I like everything about it.00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.680


I like I like getting a lot of wins in the win category, I like solving problems.00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:38.960


But at some point, if you don't slow down, I do think you miss out on a lot of stuff.00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:39.839


I think you're right.00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:40.559


I think you're right.00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.759


How do you handle screen time with you, with your wife, with your kids?00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:45.359


I I think it's a it's an issue.00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:48.400


It's I try very hard to not have my phone with me a lot.00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.920


Struggling with the kids because it it's just their life.00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.480


It's their video games.00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:57.680


Um again, awareness is the only thing I can share with them.00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.799


For personally, I do a 7 p.m.00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.599


to 7 a.m.00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:02.559


digital detox.00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.640


Half the day I'm off of a screen.00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:05.519


That's my goal.00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:06.640


It doesn't always happen.00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:12.079


I leave my phone on for a case of emergency, but I really try to get off of the devices 12 hours a day.00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:16.640


I go back to reading paperbooks, paperbacks or hardcovers, but books, not a device.00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.680


Um, I only look at social media on Sundays for one hour.00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:20.480


That's it.00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:20.960


That's it.00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:22.240


Wow, that's strong.00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:23.119


It was hard.00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:23.599


Yeah.00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.079


I found it impacting my life in a negative way.00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.279


Like when I'm looking at Instagram at a red light, it's a bad thing.00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.880


That's yeah, you're right.00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.440


You know what I was telling you that we walked to LGO.00:31:33.839 --> 00:31:35.519


I always I leave my phone at home.00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:36.480


I never take my phone with me.00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:39.039


And then my wife and I play backgammon there in the back room.00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:42.960


And um, whenever I get back, I go to my phone immediately.00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.279


And it's so funny how I didn't miss anything.00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.200


You know, but when you have your phone with you, you're you're doing this, you're doing that.00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:50.720


You know, you said you're married 26 years.00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:51.440


That's a long time.00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:52.559


What's the what do you think?00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.440


What are some tips to a successful marriage?00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:03.759


I know there's ups and downs, but I mean, I'm I probably learned a lot about communication from Chris.00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.279


She's great at it and taught me.00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:13.039


And, you know, we we've been we've been through and through plenty of therapy and the hard stuff.00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:19.599


And, you know, again, at the end of the day, she's enriched my life on a daily basis.00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:32.880


And you know, the moments that we're we have disagreements and and I feel those stress hormones coming up a lot of the times, you know, my resistance or my reaction probably made things way worse than they were.00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:39.599


And again, that's part of my practice and why I'm working hard or is being disciplined as I am now to learn that a different side of myself.00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:39.920


Yeah.00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:48.799


It works.00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.799


You communicate, it works, you tell them how you feel.00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:56.400


It's it's it's tough, I think, to evolve to communicate those things.00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:57.279


You know what I mean?00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:04.000


It's uh yeah, but marriage is marriage has got the ups and downs, but then when it's when it's going, it's going great, right?00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:05.200


Yeah, and it's tough.00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.559


This seems to be a time of life.00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.880


I'm a good part of my peer group is going through her been divorced recently.00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.680


So we're I'm living through a lot of that with them.00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:23.519


But Chris and I again, I I not every day is flawless, but I have a high level of respect and appreciation for her.00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:24.319


That's great.00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:35.599


You know, getting I want to I don't again biohacking, I don't want to get back to it, but I want to get to like so you're extremely active, extremely active with the hiking, the meditation, and do you have any pains in your body?00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:46.720


Okay, so yes, I've been very fortunate never to have a major or catastrophic injury, but I'm having normal wear and tear as I get older, so I'm changing what I'm doing.00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:53.440


And I realized even the way I do things, a little more a little more flow than force.00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:55.839


Like I used to hammer camelback, right?00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:57.119


I'll probably pay for it at some time.00:33:57.519 --> 00:33:58.640


Where do you think you'll pay for it?00:33:58.720 --> 00:33:59.119


Knees, back?00:33:59.359 --> 00:33:59.839


Knees, back.00:33:59.920 --> 00:34:02.480


I mean, just overall, just when you're hammering away.00:34:02.720 --> 00:34:04.720


I've I've traded out that for sure.00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:06.319


So I take it really slow up and down.00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.840


I've given up, you know, competing to just do it slowly.00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.079


I spend a lot more time in the pool now swimming.00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.000


That that's one exercise I think is a lifelong sport that you can always do.00:34:16.239 --> 00:34:22.000


In fact, I was at the pool of the village uh earlier this year, and the guy in the lane next to me was 88.00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:27.360


And he's just swimming back and forth, got out, big smile on his face, and I was chatting with him.00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.199


And I'm like, you know, you're 88 years old.00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:30.480


And it was actually his birthday that day.00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.599


He was getting to swim, and it was super inspiring because I really want to be.00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:36.079


I think that's the key to longevity.00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:44.320


I know there's all this stuff that's you know science-based that the people are doing, but I think not having a sedentary lifestyle is one of the biggest things.00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:45.760


So just staying active.00:34:46.800 --> 00:34:47.199


You're right.00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.039


Uh, how often do you swim at the village?00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:53.280


I was swimming there, I was trying to do six miles a week.00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.840


So swim six days, a mile a day.00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.159


And I backed off a little bit of that.00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.480


Um again, actually about my aches and pains.00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:06.320


I had a shoulder I had an overuse left shoulder overuse issue I had to get some PT for.00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.559


So I just got it back and I surfed this summer.00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:10.400


So I'm gonna get back in the pool shortly.00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:14.639


But it again something you do by yourself when you swim.00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:15.599


Yeah.00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.599


And again, there's another it's kind of a meditative practice.00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:24.639


When you're staring at the bottom of a pool for an hour, nothing but your your thoughts.00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:25.119


Right.00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:34.159


No, I used to swim in high school and I d I've done the I went through some phases at the village where I would go and swim three weeks and then I'd stop.00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:35.280


Something happened and I stopped.00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.599


When you swim, do you flip turn or you touch the wall?00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:42.719


God so when I had this conversation yesterday, I am I am now a touch the wall guy.00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:44.559


I knew I gave up.00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:45.920


I don't know why, but I gave up the flip turn.00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:48.480


A little too much effort with the flip turn.00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.320


You're not racing, right?00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:51.920


But it does keep the flow going.00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:53.599


But I'm a touch the wall guy now, too.00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.119


I don't know if that's an age thing or not.00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:55.840


Funny question.00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.760


And another friend asked me that yesterday.00:35:57.840 --> 00:35:59.199


He's like, How are your kick turns?00:35:59.280 --> 00:35:59.920


And I'm like, I don't know.00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:01.360


I just I really just touched the wall.00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:03.039


Are you doing the crawl, the freestyle?00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.719


Are you doing breastyle the whole time?00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:05.760


Any oh, the whole time.00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:06.719


I'll do a little warm-up.00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.320


I got some zoomer fins I put on.00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.159


I'll kick it out with a with a kickboard just to loosen up, loosen my backup.00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:13.679


So that doesn't count for the mile.00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:14.000


No.00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:14.400


Okay.00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.480


So when you're there, are you there an hour?00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.480


It's pretty much an hour in the water.00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:19.360


I'm gonna get back to that.00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:19.760


I love that.00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:20.239


I love that.00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:21.760


I think swimming is the best shape.00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:26.000


I feel the best I ever feel physically is when I get out of the pool.00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:26.480


Uh-huh.00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.840


You got rhythmic breathing, you're oxygenated, you're really stretched out, and you weren't pounding on your joints at all.00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:32.400


I know.00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:33.519


It's just a great workout.00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.360


I do need to learn some other strokes though.00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:37.440


Oh, so you what else do you do?00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.639


I mean, I can do I I swim in in high school, but so I could do butterfly, but I only did I get my heart rate going.00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:46.400


Breast breaststroke, sometimes backstroke, but mostly freestyle.00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.639


You know, back in the day when I was swimming, it was called the crawl.00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:50.159


Do you wear a swim shirt while you're swimming?00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:51.519


No, no, I don't.00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:53.519


I I just that's the one thing I do worry about.00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:55.599


I mean, you you've been out here a long time, too.00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:56.320


It's a lot of sun.00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:58.320


Well, also, what time do you go?00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.039


Mostly late morning, just because it's not busy.00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:02.159


Oh, yeah, you're right.00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:02.559


You're right.00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:05.840


One negative thing about the village pool is that it has sides.00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:08.400


There's no reverse, uh, there's no um negative edge.00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.719


So there's five lanes there, and all the water bounces back, even with lane lines.00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.400


It's a very textured surface in that pool when people are swimming.00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.000


Like most pools, the water goes out and then returns down and comes back in.00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:22.880


That thing doesn't, it just gets like an open water swim.00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.199


So I don't love that about it.00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.880


But there used to be a place, was it off of Campbell?00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:29.440


There was a pool.00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:30.639


I think Brofi used to swim in.00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:31.360


Yeah, yeah, it's gone.00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:31.760


That was great.00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:32.400


That was a great pool.00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.559


I went there a few times and swam with the master class there.00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:35.119


Great pool.00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:35.840


Where'd they move it to?00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.280


Where'd the where's the Brofi pool now?00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:38.159


I don't think they moved it.00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:39.119


No, no, no.00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.159


I mean, I know they built apartments there, but they moved the pool.00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:43.199


There's somewhere that offers that.00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:43.840


I just don't remember.00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:45.119


It might be somewhere in PV.00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:45.840


I'm not sure.00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.039


But yeah, your swimming is right.00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:48.000


That's great.00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:51.360


So shoulder, that's because for me, I'm feeling something in my left knee.00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:52.880


I don't know how, I don't know why.00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:54.639


You know, it's like things just start happening.00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:56.480


That's kind of why I'm always doing the stem cells.00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:05.119


I'm trying to, I'm trying to waiting for a miracle with these everybody I know that goes and gets these stem cells with me, they have this incredible experience and these miracles.00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.280


And I and I'm doing okay.00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.480


I feel like uh, you know, I don't sleep very often, so I feel like I feel like I'm um it's helping.00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:17.360


I can't imagine what life would be like if I didn't do these stem cells, you know, maybe be falling apart, you know.00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:18.559


But I don't know.00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.639


That's the thing, and you have these chronic injuries or long injuries.00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:25.920


As soon as you start losing mobility, your lifestyle decreases.00:38:26.159 --> 00:38:26.719


Right, right.00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.119


So staying mobile is really the big goal.00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.239


We went and saw uh, you know, a few Peter Diamondis's.00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:32.960


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:37.360


We went and saw Peter Diamondis speak at UCLA, and he had a couple open openers for him.00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:43.440


And one was a this gal, she was an orthopedic surgeon, and her biggest message was do not lose mobility.00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.760


Do whatever you can to stay mobile.00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:47.679


That's the one key to longevity.00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:53.280


She L case studies were as soon as people lost their mobility, their whole life started declining.00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.519


Were you going there just to see Peter speak?00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.519


We went specifically to see Peter.00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.639


Didn't know she was going to be on.00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:00.320


Like do you know him, or you were just as a fan?00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:01.519


It was a YPO event.00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:02.239


Oh, the YPO event.00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:03.440


And then you went with another couple.00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:03.840


Okay.00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:08.079


And I ended up through that lecture at UCLA.00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.320


It was right when he started uh Health Nucleus with Craig Vettner.00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:13.920


His company hacked the human genome.00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:14.400


Yeah, yeah.00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:15.840


They have a place in San Diego, right?00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.559


Uh yeah, and I've been going for nine years now.00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:20.480


That's where they do the whole MRI on your body.00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:21.920


I've been going once a year for nine years.00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.519


I've got nine years of the comp data.00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.000


Uh-huh.00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.760


And he Peter broke off and now he's partners with Tony Robbins at Fountain Life.00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:28.800


Fountain Life, okay.00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:29.440


Right, right, right.00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:31.360


But health nucleus still exists.00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:31.679


Right.00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.840


And I'm I have we have a place there, so it's easy to go.00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:34.159


Right.00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:34.719


And I love it.00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:41.599


I've got eight years worth, nine years worth of data now, and I can see baseline from year one, anything over nine years what's changed.00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.199


And has anything changed?00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:45.199


You know, I'm very fortunate.00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:46.239


Uh not much.00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.119


We I mean we've made definitely made some adjustments here and there.00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:55.840


That's where they see your because I've done the full body MRI, um, and that's where you see anything, everything, right?00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:57.039


So that's what they do there, right?00:39:57.119 --> 00:39:58.559


You do the full body MRI, do the blood work.00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:02.159


They used to have one and you just you'd be in it for almost a couple hours.00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:10.719


Now they have one, and it was for all your organs, brain down, and now they have one just for your brain, an MRI, and then you go into a different MRI for all the other organs down your body.00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:11.199


Right.00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:16.320


And it's really the the imaging is so the technology is so great, right?00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:20.239


And they can really uh I guess the big goal would be early diagnosis.00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:20.559


Right.00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.480


If you can catch something early, right, why not give yourself a better shot?00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:25.519


See, that's what I'm talking about.00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:26.400


That's not biohacking.00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:27.920


That's what I'm that's what I'm talking about.00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:32.159


I don't know what to call that whole it it living cleaner, being aware.00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.119


Like what do you call that?00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:36.639


Because it's not, it's not, it's not biohacking, right?00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:38.000


I I don't have a name for it.00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:41.119


But well, do you wear do you wear any wearables devices?00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:42.159


Like wear rings.00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.880


I wear the I wear the whoop and I have an O ring at night.00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:45.840


I put it on at night.00:40:46.159 --> 00:40:50.079


Do you make changes based on the data you get from that?00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:51.360


Not really.00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.760


I mostly do it to monitor my sleep.00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:59.519


And I I do I would do this to monitor my heart, my um, my cardiovascular when I'm trying to do cardio, because that's my problem.00:40:59.599 --> 00:41:03.039


I've got a lot of calcium in my heart, and I need to somehow get rid of it.00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:08.400


And because I'm I have a job where there's not a lot of sleep involved, I always monitor my sleep.00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.360


And I actually that's not true.00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:10.400


I do I do tweak stuff.00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.840


Like I'll go, I'll go, okay, I slept four and a half hours here.00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.159


I had 40 minutes of deep sleep.00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:21.199


And not trying to be funny, but it's like we had sex and I slept better.00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:22.800


We didn't have sex and I slept.00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:34.239


Like I'm looking at, like sometimes I'll look at my wife and I'll be like, hey, I got about five hours, I can get five hours tonight, and I think if we do it, I might fall, I might have longer reps like she thinks I'm nuts.00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:36.480


And I'm like, it's an experiment, play along.00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:37.840


And she plays along.00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.639


It's true.00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:44.960


And I'm literally doing it for every doctor I've ever interviewed on this podcast.00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:51.039


I ask him that, I've asked a sleep doctor, if if you're a guy and you have an orgasm before sleep, do you sleep better?00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:52.480


And all of them say yes.00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:56.719


And then I'm like, with a partner or with a stuff afflicted at work.00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:57.519


I need to know.00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:08.000


I need to put so believe it or not, with a partner, the pheromones, you're more connected, and there's there's something that uh there's something intangible there that helps you sleep better, right?00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:09.760


So, what else do you do for your sleep routine?00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:11.039


Are you like blackout shades?00:42:11.119 --> 00:42:12.239


Are you a certain temperature in the room?00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.840


Blackout shades, white noise, 68 degrees in the room.00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.800


Uh, I wear the oil ring and I wear this at night.00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:22.079


I'm unfortunately I have sleep apnea, so I wear a CPAP machine.00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:36.639


I have a mouth guard because I grind my teeth, and then no doctor told me to do this, but I bought an oxygen tank and I have the oxygen tank 50 feet of tubing in my closet, um, but it's hooked up to my mask, so I sleep with oxygen at night.00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:40.480


Um, and the machine makes a lot of noise and it bothers my wife, so I have to have it way far away.00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:40.639


Right.00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:44.480


Because I'm hoping the oxygen helps me sleep better to get a deep sleep.00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.280


Um, sometimes I will get a vitamin drip before I go to sleep.00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:56.719


I'll try to get all the vitamins, and then sometimes it might throw a little Benadryl or a little bit of tordol in there to help with the pain, any kind of body pain.00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:01.440


But I'm just trying to look at what helps me sleep better because of the sleep apnea.00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:04.239


And I feel that oxygen helps me sleep better.00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.000


I don't know if that's smart.00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.159


My doctor, I told my doctor, and she's like, why?00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:08.960


I'm like, I don't know.00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:13.920


It's only a small percentage of pure oxygen because also the aura ring monitors your oxygen level.00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.679


Like last night I was at 100% oxygen.00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.360


The night before I was at 99% oxygen, and I don't know why, because I had the tank.00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:20.800


Maybe I need to turn up the tank.00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:22.400


But I do a lot of weird shit, Craig.00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.519


Do you have a uh prepare for sleep routine, like getting ready, downshifting before you?00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:28.880


Yeah, I put the phone away.00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:30.639


I try not to be on my phone at all.00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:35.280


Um, I take I have a bunch of vitamins, I take some magnesium, I drink some magnesium before I go to sleep.00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:39.280


Um, I take some melatonin, I have a bunch of do you take vitamins?00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:48.000


Uh D, methylated B12, and one uh specific calcium because I have a little bit of osteopenia just because I've been so lean my whole life.00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:49.760


And I don't do a lot of strength training.00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:54.800


Just I don't, you know, again worrying about a slip and fall as I'm older.00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:56.800


So what okay, that's good.00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.760


Uh weight I try I weight train five days a week.00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.599


You don't so you don't lift weights.00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:06.960


I do lift weights, but recent only recently, and I'm not not a lot of weight yet.00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:13.360


I'm just starting to more go through, I don't want to put a lot of pressure on my joints, so I'm just kind of I'm really starting slow.00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:15.280


But I'm in the gym a few days a week.00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:16.320


Uh at the village?00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:18.239


Uh I've been going over the global.00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:18.719


Okay.00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:20.559


But um, yeah, the global is a whole nother.00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:21.280


It's a great gym.00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:21.760


It's a great gym.00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:22.880


Their equipment is fantastic.00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:23.679


Beautiful gym.00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.119


Yeah, now I'm starting to learn.00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:29.679


But I've been I've been 140 pounds for 40 years.00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:32.719


I don't think I've deviated a pound in 40 years.00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.360


I weigh 110 pounds more than you.00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:40.639


Graduate high school this weight, and if I got on the scale, if there was a scale right here, it would be 140 pounds.00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.079


Did you grow up here in Phoenix?00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:43.360


Uh, since the seventh grade, yeah.00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:44.239


Where'd you go to school?00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.760


Marcos Deniza High School.00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:46.719


Oh, yeah.00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:47.760


That's a great school.00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.360


I don't know about great schools.00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.400


I know the basketball coach there is great, the football program's been great.00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:53.679


When I was there, it was a little rough.00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:55.039


Oh, yeah, it was still rough, I think.00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:55.840


But yeah, okay.00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.440


Okay, where'd you go to you went to ASU?00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.280


We went to ASU, met my wife, yeah.00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.800


In 88 at ASU, and yeah, a long time.00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:03.280


Wow.00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.719


Don't see you, you don't, and then you when did you move and get the place in San Diego?00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.679


We got a place in San Diego in 2011.00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.159


We both we wanted boys to be exposed to the beach, and they both surf.00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:18.079


My both both my boys are really good surfers, like lights out surfing.00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.159


And uh, and so they surf a lot.00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.119


And then my oldest son goes to Chapman up in Orange, California.00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:24.400


So he surfs, too.00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:26.079


He's having a great time, yeah.00:45:26.400 --> 00:45:31.280


So we were in we we go to La Jolla every year for the my wife's from La Jolla and here.00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:34.880


Um, and this is the first time ever we had some friends in Del Mar.00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.800


And so 4th of July.00:45:36.960 --> 00:45:45.440


Um, actually, I um they told us about this market, never been there before, and I feel like this is a gold mine, and it's right along the lines of what you guys are doing.00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:46.639


It's that Seaside Market.00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:47.440


I was there Sunday.00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.079


It's a freaking that place my favorite grocery store in the country.00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:51.199


It's unbelievable.00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:52.719


You're not you're not kidding.00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:53.840


It's unbelievable.00:45:54.079 --> 00:46:00.400


How does that I my the guy I know knows the guy, and I was like, you need to open one of these in La Jolla.00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.320


And the guy said to him, he goes, Look, my life is great right now.00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:06.079


I make a lot of money with this restaurant.00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:07.440


I know my stress levels.00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.239


This is it.00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:09.519


This is all I need to do.00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:11.119


But that place is fantastic.00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:14.960


I have thousands of pictures on my phone from that store.00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.800


I literally was there Sunday with Chris.00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:20.960


We did we we were there last weekend and we built a we had a pokey bar at our house.00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:22.320


So we went there to get all the supplies.00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:22.960


Right.00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:25.039


It is truly it's a community center.00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:25.519


It is.00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:26.800


Have you had the crack?00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.000


Oh I had it shipped over here.00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:31.360


It's unbelievable, man.00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:32.079


It is cool.00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:33.039


That's a great place.00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:37.199


Yeah, that I love I love North County, San Diego from La Jolla up and Del Mar.00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:38.719


Have you been to Ken, sushi?00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:39.920


My wife has.00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:40.239


I have.00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:41.280


Oh, we go there all the time.00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:41.599


Yeah.00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:42.400


Yeah, we go there.00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:45.679


That's where we want to be right now with us, which we haven't done yet.00:46:45.760 --> 00:46:51.360


With being as soon as we're empty nesters, we want to be do the San Diego thing Friday, Saturday, Sunday, right?00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:56.159


Just always go Friday, Saturday, Sunday because it's just a well now JSX is flying into Carlsbad.00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.519


I know, I heard it's great.00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:58.079


Yeah, right.00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.599


Scott's still to Carlsbad.00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:00.800


We're going back this weekend.00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:03.199


We invested in a restaurant that's opening this weekend.00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:04.800


It's called Chick and Hawk.00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.960


And it's one of the partners is Tony Hawk.00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:14.079


And the other partners is uh Andrew, who's the most amazing chef, and he's got a restaurant, pardon me, in Encinias called Mana.00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:14.559


Uh-huh.00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.000


Next time you're there, you have to go to Manna.00:47:16.079 --> 00:47:16.800


I'd love to take you there.00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:17.519


I'd love to go.00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:19.280


It's my favorite restaurant in San Diego.00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.079


Is Tony Hawk going to be part of the he's part, he's part of the brand.00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.639


He's wow.00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.000


So you've met him, talk to him.00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:24.960


Um, yeah, yeah.00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:28.559


In fact, um it's I I'd love to take you there sometime.00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:29.679


It's gonna be a really cool place.00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.639


It's kind of a chicken sandwich place, but way elevated.00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.880


Great 80s skate culture um design.00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.679


California skate parks came and poured the patio walls.00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:40.000


Wow.00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:42.800


Tony Hawk brought the birdhouse skateboard team to skate it.00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.920


Wow, it was really neat.00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:45.119


I'll I'll have to send you some pictures.00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.639


I'd love to see him and I'd love to go.00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.639


But you know, are you familiar with Andrew Huberman?00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:49.039


Sure.00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:50.639


Because he's got Tony Hawk connections too.00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:51.119


He used to skate.00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:52.000


Oh, he's an old skater, yeah.00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:52.800


Old skater punk rocker.00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:57.679


He's an old skater punk rocker, and Tony Hawk's dad, like he was because you know his parents were never around.00:47:57.920 --> 00:47:59.519


Tony Hawk's dad drove him back.00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.800


I mean, I'm a huge Huberman fan, I'm a huge Tony Hawk fan, so that's crazy.00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:04.159


I would love to check out that restaurant.00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:05.199


Yeah, it's really cool.00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:13.360


My so when I was growing up here, my parents would drive us out to the Del Mar Skate Ranch in the 80s, and I saw Tony Skate back in the 80s at the Del Mar Skate Ranch.00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:14.480


It's crazy, yeah.00:48:14.639 --> 00:48:22.239


Okay, wait, so if you're in so you're in the skating and surfing, you must be very much in the 80s music or alternative music from the 80s.00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:24.159


All that's my whole lifestyle.00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:24.960


That's your whole lifestyle.00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:29.119


It's so funny you Chris will tell you, like, it's all 80s and it's all alt 80s.00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.679


What what concerts have you been in or uh growing up?00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:32.719


Which concert did you go to?00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:33.519


Oh, God.00:48:33.679 --> 00:48:35.599


I mean, I I was thinking about this the other day.00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.119


And again, like telling these stories when you're in your 50s, all the great shows you went to.00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:39.760


Yes, yes.00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.599


I remember again, this is an 80s, this is technically a little like 90, but I saw Nirvana way before Nevermind came out.00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.360


They had a first album called Bleach, and I saw him at this little bar on Apache.00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:49.840


Wow.00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:51.039


With like 24 people.00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:51.920


What year was that?00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.360


Uh 90 or 91.00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:55.440


But I remember seeing the Beastie Boys in '85.00:48:55.519 --> 00:48:57.199


I used to go see Social Distortion.00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.800


Okay, so here's Beastie Boys played celebrity theater with Run DMC in '85.00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.480


I by the way, I feel like Sabotage might be one of the greatest songs ever, ever written.00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.079


It's one of my favorite workout songs.00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:11.119


But I got to so I started in radio in 1990 at 91x in San Diego.00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:11.920


You know that station, right?00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:12.639


91X?00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:14.079


I have a sticker on my desk right now.00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:14.559


Okay.00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.280


So my uh I I I was I was so in love with radio.00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:21.280


I thought it was the great, I was there all the time.00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:22.320


I never I was an intern.00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.719


I was going to San Diego State and I was an intern at 91x.00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:26.480


And I was there with a night guy.00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:35.519


His name was Mike Calloran, and he had ordered a Domino's pizza with everything on, with jalapenos on it, and I and I had never, and pineapples, and I was like, that sounds amazing.00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:37.679


I and he goes, well, it's being delivered here in a little bit.00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:39.440


When it comes, there's also a band coming.00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:41.760


And he goes, When the band comes, can you let the band in?00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.239


I'm like, sure, but what time's the pizza getting here?00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:45.920


And he goes, probably around the same time.00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:46.880


So I'm waiting.00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.039


I see this blue and white Volkswagen bus pull up, right?00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.159


And then I see the car, the Domino's pizza guy comes.00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:58.159


Domino's pizza guy comes and I open up, I grab the pizza box, and there's these guys standing.00:49:58.320 --> 00:49:59.280


I go, Hey, can I help you?00:49:59.440 --> 00:50:00.079


Yeah, we're the band.00:50:00.159 --> 00:50:01.440


We're here to see uh Mike.00:50:01.519 --> 00:50:02.320


And I go, what band?00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:03.440


He goes, we're Nirvana.00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.599


I go, Oh, come on in.00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.360


And I they follow me in.00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:11.360


We sit down in the studio, me, Mike, and Nirvana, and we eat pizza.00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:12.159


Isn't that crazy?00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:13.039


They had year?00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:13.840


1990?00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:14.320


Yeah, yeah.00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:15.280


Isn't that nuts?00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.039


They're probably touring on that bleach album.00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:18.239


Yeah, I got tons of those.00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:19.679


Same with Jesus Jones.00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.800


I don't know if they're around.00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:27.840


My first my first real job at the radio, I had to do three nights at Depeche Mode at Sports Arena in San Diego.00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:29.920


Like all that music is my music, man.00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:30.800


91X.00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.000


Mandatory Marley Mandatory Marley Mondays, was it?00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:36.320


They played Bob Marley on Mondays and 91X.00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:37.119


How about this?00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.679


The Red Hot Chili Peppers played at Big Surf.00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:40.400


Remember Big Surf?00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:42.559


Yeah, eighth grade school summertime.00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:43.519


We'd go to Big Surf.00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:45.440


They played Big Surf in 89.00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:46.320


That's crazy.00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.639


There was a mosh pit in the sand at Big Surf.00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:50.639


They had a stage on the beach.00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:51.840


Ah, those were some, yeah.00:50:52.480 --> 00:51:01.199


I took interns, I was an intern, I took a bunch of listeners from San Diego to LA to the palladium to see Fishbone open for red hot chili peppers.00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:02.800


Love Fishbone.00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:03.039


All right.00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.119


And then that's well, I'm glad we had that music thing, man.00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:05.360


Yeah.00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:07.280


One of my favorites is Party at Ground Zero.00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:08.719


New Order was one of my favorite bands.00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:10.400


I saw them way back in the day so many times.00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:13.920


They weren't the most exciting band to see on tour, but but yeah, I love that music.00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:14.400


That's great.00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:17.920


And that's kind of that's kind of yeah, that's stuff playing air guitar all the time as well.00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.480


Kind of, you know, that that kind of seeps into the culture.00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:27.360


I grew I grew up kind of Southern California skate punk, hip-hop, skateboarding, and you know.00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:30.000


So what's your favorite concert?00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:44.480


So uh the last tour that Beastie Boys did before MCA passed away, we went and saw them at Red Rocks, and we're in the front row at Red Rocks, and it was uh it was the most magical experience I've had being a Beastie Boys fan.00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:51.440


And then the following, they were gonna go on tour again, and we had front row at Hollywood Bowl, but MCA got diagnosed with cancer and passed away.00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:54.559


So that Red Rocks Beastie Boys show was how about you?00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:56.079


Best concert ever?00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:56.800


Yeah.00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:04.639


You're the maybe it's because it's uh it's so fresh in my mind, but it was the one this is one of the weirdest things.00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:09.679


My my kids are into hip hop, and Dutch, my youngest, Kanye, was coming to town.00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:14.719


He wanted to go see Kanye, but Kanye wasn't performing, he was just gonna play his album.00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:25.360


And we were at Footprint Center, and Kanye, it's sold out, and he's got his cell phone plugged in and he's just playing tracks off his phone and then singing along.00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:28.559


I thought it was one of the coolest things I've ever experienced in my life.00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:40.880


It was so and his kids were running around dancing, and he would just be like, he would play one of his hit songs, he would just play the hit song off his phone, everyone would go nuts, and then he would play instrumental and he'd start singing, and it was like, I was like, what?00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:42.719


It was just so electric.00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.079


And that was about two years ago.00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:48.639


So uh, and maybe that's why because it's been so long I can't remember a lot of the concerts.00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:53.119


But man, that that's you know who's a psycho, psycho Beastie Boys fan.00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.199


And in fact, I what's the what's the guy's name?00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:56.719


What's the DJ that came in later?00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:57.840


Mixed Master Mike.00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:04.239


You know, uh, in fact, he's gonna be a UV in a couple weeks, is Tommy Lloyd, UV basketball coach.00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:04.639


Yeah.00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.079


He the greatest band in the world for him is Beastie Boys.00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:09.760


We go back and forth about it, Beastie Boys people.00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:11.599


I got a shrine at my home office.00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:12.400


I really do.00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:14.559


You gotta send me a picture, I'll send it to him.00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:22.480


So I almost I just had mixed master mic booked for our YPO holiday party, but then at the last minute, didn't think it would translate.00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:24.960


You know, he's you know, he I love Mixed Master Mike.00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:26.400


So we just we we swapped him out.00:53:26.480 --> 00:53:28.239


We're getting now we got CNC Music Factory.00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:29.599


Gonna make you sweat T U.00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:32.320


Just a little more like, you know, jump to the rhythm.00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:32.800


Jump to the rhythm.00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:36.800


I don't know if Mix Master Mike Where is CNC gonna play?00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:37.360


Where?00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:45.440


Well, we're having our YPO holiday party, and I had him booked for a millisecond and then changed my mind because I just didn't think anyone would get it.00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:51.119


I love him, but I don't think anyone else it would translate to a holiday party with him just scratching and going crazy.00:53:51.360 --> 00:53:52.239


That is nuts.00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:53.760


That is nuts.00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:54.320


Oh my god.00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:55.920


Have you seen the documentary of Beastie Boys?00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:56.320


Oh, yeah.00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:58.400


Okay, wow, that's that's I didn't know that about you.00:53:58.480 --> 00:53:58.880


That's very good.00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:00.079


Yeah, yeah, huge fan.00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.840


Um, when licensed yellow came out, I was in high school, it kind of changed everything, right?00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.000


I mean, it was like but like I worked every day.00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.079


It's like when I leave here today, I got a treadmill in my house.00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:13.920


I'm gonna get on the treadmill, and I do my little workout, try to get a couple miles in, but I always slide in sabotage.00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:16.719


I think sabotage, and what's your favorite Beastie Boy song?00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:19.599


Like sabotage is freaking amazing, it's just amazing.00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.239


Everything about that song is amazing.00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:24.880


So that's in my list when I'm getting after it.00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:33.519


But I remember waiting in line in Mesa at Tower Records for like hours and hours when their second album, Paul's Boutique, came out.00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:36.400


I was in line waiting for the release of that album.00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.039


And that album to me is a masterpiece.00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.559


Like you you've heard other artists say that the samples on that album back before there was controls.00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:46.159


It's really well.00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:48.320


I'll listen to that when I get out of here on the treadmill.00:54:48.800 --> 00:54:50.559


Did you go into radio right after college?00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:51.840


In college, well, I was in college.00:54:52.559 --> 00:55:00.000


Yeah, there was a radio station at the college, and a buddy of mine dared me to try out for the job, and I did, and I was hooked.00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:01.840


And how long were you at 91X?00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.800


I was at 91X from 90 to 92.00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:10.480


Um, in fact, I was at U of A, there's a restaurant there, and on the top of the restaurant inside, there's a 91X sticker.00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.400


It says 91X, you're the X.00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:20.000


Those, if anybody has those stickers, like this restaurant, I had a part of the, I was the guy that delivered those sticker style outlets.00:55:20.159 --> 00:55:23.280


So if I see one anywhere, I know at some point I had that.00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:29.840


Like I was an intern, I drove the van, I put stickers on people, I'd go to the beach and spray the tattoos on people, the Miss Michael Beach page.00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:30.639


Not things up.00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:31.760


I will text you the million.00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:36.159


I have a 91X sticker sitting on my desk at home at this exact moment.00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:36.639


Wow.00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.559


It's an original one, and I did it just sit, it's I have a whole bunch of stuff on my desk, it just sits there.00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:48.800


I used to uh there was a morning show they were called Burger and Prescott, and I used to just sit in there and watch them do the morning show and ask them how they did the morning show.00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.920


Then I would have to drive them around for appearances and stuff.00:55:52.000 --> 00:56:01.519


And you know, it was before MapQuest or before freaking Google Maps, and I would get lost trying to find my way around La Jolla or wherever these appearances were, and I would just pick the brain of these morning shows.00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.320


Uh, because first of all, they were the ones making all the money, right?00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:07.679


That but uh I'd love I loved every second of it and meeting all the artists and stuff.00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:09.679


So you must have been the hundreds of shows.00:56:09.760 --> 00:56:10.320


I mean hundreds.00:56:10.400 --> 00:56:11.039


I've been I can't.00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:17.440


Yeah, that's why I'm like I get to a point now where I I try not to go to concerts unless it's something special.00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.760


And then here's the difference with the music we like.00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.800


My wife is a yacht rock fan.00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:31.920


So we go to every yacht rock or yachtly crew, which is amazing because it's not the artists, it's a cover band doing all these stuff.00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:33.039


Have you been to Humphreys?00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:34.960


No, uh, I have not been to Humphreys.00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:36.159


Oh, you gotta go to Humphreys.00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:38.079


We just went to the the Rady Shell.00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:39.199


Oh, that's I've heard of that place.00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:40.079


It's like a Humphreys, right?00:56:40.239 --> 00:56:41.039


Yeah, yeah, it's outside, yeah.00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:42.079


I've been to Humphreys yet, though.00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:42.559


Humphreys.00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:44.400


We'll have to hook up this next summer when you're in the home.00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:44.960


We'll be there.00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:45.920


We'll be there all most of the summer.00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:46.159


Yeah.00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.559


We're in fact, uh, in fact, we're going there soon.00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:49.599


We're gonna, yeah, yeah, we're definitely.00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.840


I'll text you every time I go there and see if just in case it works out.00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:53.360


But thanks for jumping on the podcast with me.00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:54.559


I don't know if I'm missing that feel.00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:55.599


I I got sidetracked now.00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:57.360


I don't know if I hit all the points we wanted to hit.00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.320


But wait, wait, well with churn, the ice cream place.00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:01.199


Are there recipes?00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:02.159


Is it your ice cream?00:57:02.239 --> 00:57:03.440


Who's ice where's ice cream come from?00:57:03.599 --> 00:57:03.840


Yeah, yeah.00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:08.400


I mean, they're all our our recipes that we own, and they're great, and churn's awesome.00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:09.519


And do you eat dessert?00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:10.559


Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:12.480


Uh, dude, I don't gain weight.00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.639


I I'm just kind of, yeah.00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.960


Maybe I'm fortunate, but I am discipline.00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:18.880


I don't eat a lot of dessert, but I like sweets.00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.320


And do you drink coffee?00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.719


I no, I just started drinking coffee a couple years ago.00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:27.840


In fact, I'm trying to so because my doctor told me coffee suppresses your appetite, right?00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:28.800


So I fast.00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:30.880


I don't eat till one in the afternoon every day.00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:31.760


And I have coffee.00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:37.440


And when I go to LGO, I'm trying to understand the coffee there because they have uh they have like four selections.00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:38.320


Are you that involved?00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.039


Do you know the coffee?00:57:39.199 --> 00:57:41.440


Not not well, and I'm not a coffee drinker, so it's not a good thing.00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:42.480


You don't even drink coffee.00:57:43.039 --> 00:57:43.679


No, not really.00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:45.199


I just started a couple sips of coffee.00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:46.639


Two years ago, I just started drinking coffee.00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.960


Never had coffee in my life until the day, and I think coffee is disgusting, but I like what it does.00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:53.039


It definitely doesn't make me hungry.00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:54.320


That blows that blows me away.00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.400


Two intermittent fasts, you don't eat lunch until one.00:57:56.559 --> 00:57:56.639


Right.00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.239


And then when are you done eating at the end of the night?00:57:58.559 --> 00:57:58.960


Seven.00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:01.039


So you have a six-hour window to eat.00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:01.280


Yeah.00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.920


And how many calories a day do you think you're consuming in those six hours?00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.320


I'm trying to do about 2400, 2500.00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:08.079


I I got my body fat measured the other day.00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:11.039


I was 12.9% body fat, which I think is pretty good for my age.00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:12.000


Right, super healthy.00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:12.480


Yeah.00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:16.159


I mean, my kids are at 9%, but they're also 20, 21 in athletes.00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:23.760


So I'm trying, I'd like to get my body fat down to for one day to like 9%, 10% for one day, just so I could.00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.559


But there's a I I'm at 12% and I'm living a good life.00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:32.800


I mean, you know, in in having 12%, I went to Cancun twice.00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:34.000


I ate a lot of food.00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:42.400


I was in London, I was in Amsterdam, I was in La Jolla, uh, I'm I was in Cabo, and I still was able to have this and eat and still stay at 12%.00:58:42.880 --> 00:58:44.400


So I think I think I'm doing something right.00:58:44.480 --> 00:58:44.960


You know what I mean?00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:46.800


It's a really healthy percentage.00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.239


I mean, yeah, yeah, I feel good about it.00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:49.119


But thanks, Craig.00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:50.239


Thanks for jumping with the podcast.00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:51.199


Happy to do it.00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.320


Okay, so welcome to our podcast.00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:04.960


This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin off of our radio show.