STEM CELLS: MIRACLE OR MYTH? A TOP DOCTOR TELLS ALL

A Different Kind Of Spin-Off

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. I wouldn't have my phone out here, but I do have I asked my audience that I told I told uh my audience I was talking to you today, and I said, What questions do you have for Rafael Gonzalez, stem cell genius? So I have a bunch of questions that some people ask me, but I don't want to get to that just yet. I want to talk to you about so many things, Rafael. I think you're my most um frequent guest I've had on my podcast because I'm so fascinated by you. And every time I interview

Why Most Stem Cells Are Junk

SPEAKER_00 0:45

you after we're done, I'm like, damn, I should ask him this. I should ask him that. So what's the latest? Because I know you were like, you were all over social media last week talking about stem cells. And the part that I saw that a million people sent me was the clip where you said five percent of stem cells five percent of the things that are out there are are uh are maybe good. Five percent of the stuff that's out there maybe good is maybe maybe good.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Yeah, it's like 95% of the stuff that's out there is crap.

SPEAKER_00 1:11

You mean so all the stem cells?

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Meaning it's there's no stem cells in there, or it's a bad product, or it's not viable, or they're selling you snake oil, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

So like there's these clinics that I've heard that people go to, like in in in Tijuana, let's we'll talk different countries or Panama or Colombia.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Most of those stem cells you think are No, a lot of the the ones that are outside of it depends on where you go outside of of the country. Some of them are good, some of them are good, some of them are legitimate. The place in Panama is legitimate. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Um

Questions That Expose Bad Clinics

SPEAKER_00 1:40

what are the questions you ask that that people should ask to make sure they're getting their good quality stem cells?

SPEAKER_01 1:45

I mean, number one is if you're gonna get stem cells anywhere, do you manufacture them? If not, who manufactures them?

SPEAKER_00 1:53

That's like step one. So if they you say who do manufactures them, you want them to say we do. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Ideally, they they should manufacture it, they should have the quality control. That's one. And then anywhere that manufactures these things should have a complete quality system in place, meaning the correct documentation from all the way down from donor to how they produce the cells. Not only that, but after they produce the cells, the final product, what happens after you thaw it? Because this is where I see a ton of deficiencies. I'm gonna talk about that this coming week, and then uh actually also in in Dan Pompa's, too. Okay, because I've gotten sent so many different products. People are like, hey, I trust you, test this. And I'm not even testing it, it's my other the scientists. I'm like, hey guys, just test this and look at the viability, and you'll be blown away. Half of the stuff is dead, more than half of stuff is dead. I mean, I got eight products recently we just tested. Uh, a lot of those mu cells, all dead. And that's like the new hot thing is this.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Yeah, that's so gonna get the mu cells too.

SPEAKER_01 2:55

I learned about that recently. Yeah, all dead stuff is viability, is horrible. That's what causes reactions because when you have a dead cell, the dead cell releases an enzyme that basically causes other cells to die, and that's how you get reactions, you get issues. Individuals that you've heard of that have gotten reactions, have had problems. This is what you will normally find happens. Either that or the products contaminate it. That's another different story.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

So how can you tell then when you're going well for me, for me, fortunately for me, is I researched you, I researched rehealth. I talked to people that I respect, and they all everybody, I've not heard one negative thing about the clinics that you have in Mexico, rehealth in in Cancun and Cabo. Yep. Right. So those stem cells, for example, what how many of those are viable? All of them, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:43

No, you'll never find 100% viable cell.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Meaning, like I got 220 million last week. So how many?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

Well, you that was probably the viable cell count that you actually got, but it's normally in the range of a good viability on a cell is anywhere above 80%.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Is a good viability on a cell. So the 200 million I got were you would well that probably they they gave you a viable cell count because there's a total cell count and then a viable cell count.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Viable meaning that they're meaning they're alive.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

They're alive. So that's a great number. Alive. That's a great number, yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:10

Yep. So then how when you when you talk about Muse stem cells, and you're right, that's not that is the thing. But the Muse stem cells now are they're in the United States, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:18

They're everywhere all over the world. Everybody's trying to manufacture them. I mean, they're being made everywhere illegally because you're not supposed to be using these things uh everywhere. I mean, there's so many, so much illegal activity going on in the US, it's it's just crazy in the cell therapy sector. Really? Yeah, it's it's out of control.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

Is there any way that the mu stem cell can be good for you or the right?

SPEAKER_01 4:40

It's it's it's possible, but I mean they really need some true controlled studies, some blinded studies, some good control studies to look at. Looking at, for instance, dosing, like one of the things that we look at seriously is dosing. And when you do a true clinical study, you look at dose response. How many cells are effective, how many cells are not, for you know what, what what is the dose that I should be giving somebody for a positive outcome? And you have a defined positive outcome. Like a simple example, an autoimmune disease, I want to be able to control the immune system. What is gonna be the correct dose that I can control the immune system? And how frequent. Just like when you take a Tylenol, some people respond to one Tylenol, some people need two Tylenols, an extra strength, whatever it may be. It's the same exact thing. It's a uh what's the active ingredient? How does it work? How much of it do you have to use to get a true a real response?

SPEAKER_00 5:34

So the the the guy I talked to about mu stem cells, he was telling me how he has like he he makes them like right then, and then you have like 72 hours to put them in you. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Um you'd I I'd I'd have to question that because if you have them, and even if you were to put them, there's a specific solution that's well studied, well documented, 300 sites in in the US that is commonly used from a company called BioLife Solutions. There's a tip for the biologists out there. Uh, that's a solution that's like an interstitutional. Think of the cells in your body, it's a solution designed to maintain health of cells. And you know, I've I've worked with this company for since 2006 with using their solutions, testing their solutions, they're phenomenal. And even if you were to put them in that type of solution, if you're lucky, you would get 72 hours. I don't think you would, uh, especially at room temperature. There's no way cells will die. You'll, if you try to basically grow them after, like another thing that we have to do for clinical studies that we do in the United States is I thaw cell, like I told you, I count viability. Right. And then I have to test if I can then regrow the cell at different time frames. For instance, we pick one hour, we pick four hours, we

Viability, Thawing, And Muse Cell Hype

SPEAKER_01 6:55

pick six, we pick 24. Based on the ability of these to grow and have the same properties they had before, meaning the same exact characteristics they had before, is how much time I have to use those cells. And what we consistently find is anything post 48 hours is gonna be mostly dead, it's not gonna grow well, it's not gonna do what it's supposed to do. It's pretty common. Even when you put it in a specific type of preservation solution and and and maintain it. I mean, it you're you're you're supposed to be giving, delivering something that works, man. Is you know, and people are not doing this.

Where Infused Cells Go In You

SPEAKER_00 7:30

Well, I was gonna ask you this. So, so so it's like uh less than a week ago, I was in your clinic and I got stem cells. Are they so let's say it was five days ago. So are they still in me? Are they alive? Like what are they doing now? Where what are they doing five days later?

SPEAKER_01 7:44

So normally when you get cells and depending on you, each person is different, right? Depending on what's going on in your body is how long they will survive. So if you think of what happens is the first ride is they did an IV on you, and the first place they will go to is they'll be in the lung. They'll reside in the lung and they'll strive to survive. Just like every cell in your body, the cells in your body don't want to die. Right. Because death of cells is basically aging. Right. And they don't want to do that. So they strive to survive, they start releasing signals, which are these are the exosomes, the signals that are being released, and they'll make changes and they'll feed off what's going on in your body to try to survive. Meaning they'll release whatever they need to and they'll communicate with each other, the ones that are put in there, to survive. At some juncture, they will die off. That juncture can be, for instance, in in mouse models that we did, in mice, that was two weeks. They survived. So they were surviving working for two weeks. Working for two weeks. And they're they're sending out signals to repair, to repair, correct, for two weeks. Now, in a human, that can be three weeks, because if you try to translate that, if you translate that amount of time into a human condition, it's months. But that's not what we we suspect, not what we think. What basically happens is once they die off, so these cells will start to shrink, what we call blebbing, and they'll start to shrink, they'll die. And then you're you have a specific immune cell within the lung, it's called the macrophage. That macrophage will pick up that cell, it'll gobble it up, it'll remove it, eliminate it, because it has to clean the system, and it'll then change and release other healing cues. This is now your own cells causing further healing. Okay. That's the way they work. So they don't work like I'm gonna put them in and they're gonna go in and they're gonna basically grow a new lung, grow a new heart. No, they're not gonna do that. They're gonna help your own cells repair, make changes. Very few of them will go past the lung. Well, we gauge based on the animal model is maybe 5%, 7%. And if you think of the way our system is, you know, it normally goes like lung, liver, spleen, then it drives down towards the gonads, because even in the mouse model, we would see some in the male models, you'll see them in the testes and the female, you'll see them in the vagina. And then they'll actually travel back up where they will actually eventually get very few of them into the brain.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

So

Alcohol, Sauna, And Hyperbaric Timing

SPEAKER_00 10:15

that's why it's important then if you get stem cells like what I did, then to make be as healthy as possible. A hundred percent. You don't want to, you don't want to drink alcohol, you don't want to smoke, you don't want to do drugs.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Correct. You don't, yeah, you want to maintain health as much as possible because remember, we just talked about they go in the liver. What transpires in your liver is metabolic function on a daily basis. Right. It has to think of when you eat. I mean, it's you eat late, and for us that will, which we'll talk about these devices. Right, right, right, right. You eat late, and what happens? What is happen what happens? Your heart rate goes up. Yeah, it's pretty religious, right? Like, you know, it's your your metabolic function is gonna go up. Your heart rate has to go up. It has to do something to eliminate what you put in. And same exact thing is now you put cells in, if they have to go to the liver and you drank, everybody knows drinking taps your liver. People don't understand it's you know, it's it's toxic.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Alcohol is toxic. So, but how long can some because I have friends that I've gone with to get stem cells, and their big thing is I can't drink. One guy was like, at one point he was told he can't drink for 30 days, and then another time one guy was told he can't drink for three days. Is there I mean, I would say the longer, the better you go without drinking, but is there the longer the better?

SPEAKER_01 11:20

We talk about hey, ideally, please refrain for three days. If you can't refrain for three days, you got a problem. Because the first three days are the most important. Yeah, they're really, really important. Let everything go to where it needs to go, travel to where it needs to go. Sauna, you can go into sauna. You just don't want to overheat the system too much within the first day because you've just gotten cells in, you are modulating, making a change to the immune system. So we don't basically push on overheating the body because you're already basically challenging the immune system making a change. We don't want you to make too much of a change, but you can go in the sauna within 24 hours. But the so the hyperbaric, you should be able to go into the case.

SPEAKER_00 11:57

I would think I would almost think hyperbaric would help. Hyperbaric would help.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Where we're actually talking, we we we've pulled a lot of scientific literature publication we've studied into quite a bit, and we're now gonna start incorporating hyperbaric post-infusion. Really? I do it. Even, even, even, even like within 24 hours, and then even before. And before, the reason being right before, too, is what we're considering, is because it helps oxygenate the system, and you want more oxygen inside. Are you gonna put it in a clinic?

SPEAKER_00 12:23

We're talking about putting one in the clinic. Well, because when I was in Cabo, okay, backstory. So I think it was about a year ago, I was gonna get I got NK. Let's say I got NK cells at rehealth, and I remember texting you, telling you, hey, I'm thinking of doing this uh plasma exchange. Yep. Right? Um, so I went and and I go, is it cool to do that and do NK? And you're like, yeah, try to do the NK or is the stem cells pretty soon, like within a week. Yeah, that's correct. Right. So when I was a cowboy, I saw that they had the rehealth that just got one of the machines.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yeah, yeah. We have a plasma phoresis there. And the purpose is to clear your your your plasma. So basically the plasma in your in your body is basically all the nutrients that the cells actually release, that the cells actually have. So that stuff can harbor toxins, consistently harbors toxins, microplastics, different issues, microplastics, all of it. So we just figure if we clear out a lot of that, then the cells have a better fighting chance.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

So if you do the the the plasma exchange stem cells an hour later or the next one, and then you can get in the hyperbaric, and then you get it. I think you'd almost be superhuman. Just just to me, logic. I don't know the behind the scenes of it, but to me, that's what it seems like that would be fantastic. It's a great protocol. Yeah, big fan. So are you gonna get one of the hardcore?

SPEAKER_01 13:41

We're talking about hyperbaric chill. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Wow, holy smokes, dude. Yeah, yeah. We're talking about hardcell. Yeah, that would be uh good, good, because I was always afraid. It's like I was afraid to, yeah, I it's been five days and I'm afraid to get in a sauna because I don't know. Oh, you can get in already. But to me, it's like 175 degrees, it's hot, that's gonna kill the stem cells.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Yeah, no, it's not gonna kill the stem cells.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

What about cold plunge?

SPEAKER_01 14:00

No, cold plunge you can get in too. Knock it out, yeah. Normally when we preserve cells,

Peptides, GLP-1s, And Real Risks

SPEAKER_01 14:05

everything has to be done cold. Oh, really? Yeah, it's pretty standard. When we process cells, we maintain them at refrigeration four degree.

SPEAKER_00 14:12

Last time I saw you, uh, I mean, you've always been a healthy dude. You're always running and eating right and whatnot, but now you look, I saw you on a bunch of social media posts doing podcasts and stuff, and you're like shredded. What what is your protocol now? What have you done? Not shredded, but what you always shredded. No, dude, you look so dirty like you're yourself.

SPEAKER_01 14:28

Um, I just, you know, I've incorporating some peptides. Uh, I mean, the the red is magical, and what people are talking about is magical. Uh, you just have to use it the correct way. It just depends. Some people it affects, uh, some people it doesn't. And I changed my whole system on the you know what the the eating thing is key. Right. It's it's it's crazy. You can work out like I mean, you you saw me before. I would work out berserk. I mean, I was worked out so much, lifted all the time, ran a ton, and I saw no change. I mean, yes, I was strong as a mule and I was bigger, and I was for me, I was called, I'd call it buff, puffy, whatever you want to call it. But I didn't, I wasn't, I was I felt well, but I didn't feel as good as I feel now. And and when I made that change of let's just be a little bit more diligent on the diet, like I mean, you you have a ton of people that eat really, really, really well, don't work out that much, look how ripped they are.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:24

Because if you don't make a change in in the diet, you're not gonna get anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

So when you take medicine, because Reddit right now isn't approved, but you are a scientist, so you get access to Reddit. What's your how what's your protocol? How do you take it?

SPEAKER_01 15:35

I mean, everybody has access to this stuff nowadays. I I know you're right. Everybody, everybody has access to to all of this.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

You take one ejection once a week?

SPEAKER_01 15:44

I follow, yeah. I mean, I don't I I do it every once in a while. I don't stick with these things a lot. I change regimens up. And when I do, it's yeah, once a week. Like I was off of it for a month and a half, something like that. I was on for about uh three months, then I got off for a while, then I started it for about another month, then I got off for a while. Uh I think the biggest thing for me was especially with that, you know, socially, I would drink every once in a while on a weekend, maybe to have a couple drinks. When you're on it, you don't want to drink because it's sort of weird. Even if you try to have one drink, you don't feel well. Like what yeah, even you know, like on Reddit or on some of these, you know, the GLPs, uh, a lot of people talk about this is you can't overeat. You're forced because you start feeling sick, you know, or if you eat something that's bad for you, you feel sick. Um, it's just like a force mechanism of learning and training the brain of, and then at some juncture, you just get smart with it. Like I got to the juncture of, you know, before I noticed, I would do intermittent fasting and I would go, you know, only dinner. But my dinner sometimes I would gorge and then I would snack after and then I'd go to bed. That's what I do. And yeah, so I just shifted the whole thing towards I noticed that let me start eating early. Like, let me, even though I'm not hungry in the morning when I wake up, but it doesn't matter. I would just let me get a yogurt, let me get some eggs, and I'd start off that way. And I noticed during the day, like if I'd have a lunch, it'd be a light lunch. When I got home for dinner, it would be a light dinner because I didn't feel like I had that anxiety and I needed to gorge.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I realized and I shifted the whole thing. Uh on the Redda. Um, I feel like I'm binging still, but when I get on the scale, I keep losing weight. Yeah. And I feel like it's doing something making me feel full, because maybe I'm not full. Because I feel one of the things I started doing, I take metamucil about an hour, half hour before I eat dinner, and then I and then I get so freaking full. And I guess that's a ton of fiber. Yeah, but I have like this whole routine down, and I feel like the metamucil is is a is a key to getting full and maybe also the next morning releasing everything.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Right?

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah, yeah. But you're not eating as much, probably. You just don't you just don't you don't you don't realize it.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

You don't realize it, but I felt like I was eating a lot, right? So then I just I went on my fitness palette and I put in everything I ate and I was still under my calorie count. I was like, what? Yeah, but I felt so full. I had to go walk around the block twice because I was so so full. Yeah, but the Reddit is the thing. And is it is Reddit? Do you think once it gets approved or whatever happens, it's gonna go away or be $2,000 a month to get? Is that what's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_01 18:17

No, I don't think so. I think I mean they're gonna have no choice but to basically lower the price. Because there's such a black market. There's a black market in everything. I mean, look at the marijuana industry. There's a massive black market that you know, people instead of going to the pot shops, they're buying it on the street and this kind of stuff. I mean, it's it's it's there's a there's a market for everything. That's right. They're gonna be forced to basically compete, you know. I think. And and eventually, I you know, a lot of these peptide companies that you have to watch who you get your stuff from too. Because I have heard of a lot of there's been a lot of reactions.

SPEAKER_00 18:48

I've been pretty lucky so far. You gave me a company which no longer exists, by the way. Yep. That's wild, right? Did Big Pharma buy that guy? Who knows?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

I don't yeah, I don't know. Maybe they probably did.

SPEAKER_00 18:56

Oh, yeah, yeah. I think they did. I think they're talking about right. Yeah, and then I I gotta I found another company and I'll tell you about that one. I don't want to give anybody, but um, but at any rate, do you take other peptides or just the red?

SPEAKER_01 19:06

I the only thing I I will do um is if I have injuries, if I feel like I have gut issues, I will incorporate BPC 1.7.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

The first time I've heard of peptides was you five years ago. You told me about BPC and TB 500 five years ago.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yeah, that stuff is it's it that stuff's magical when you have an injury. Now it's everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Now everyone's talking, and I remember when you told me about it, I was trying to get it and talk to people about it. It was so hard to explain what it was and how it's magic. And now it's just everywhere. Like I feel like you like I feel like you started.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

And and and it's one of the and it's one of the um like on the list of sort of approved now. Yeah, because there's a complete yeah, there's a complete safety profile on on these. You know, a lot of the other ones that people take a lot of the growth hormone ones, a testomeral and ipamerelin, these type of things. You got to watch it with a lot of the stuff. And you got guys out there, you see them speaking about, hey, this stuff's all safe, man. No, man. No, because you don't know where you're getting it from? No, because you don't know where you're getting it from, and no, because if you don't know how to dose or if you don't know what you're doing, a lot of people have allergies to peptides. That's there's a lot of people that have allergies to peptides. And there's even articles, scientific articles on this. If you decide to inject yourself with too much of a growth hormone analog, which is a testomerolin, zyperelins, you can end up in the hospital. I mean, this causes a wicked flushing, a ton of pressure on the heart. You're it's it can be bad. You mean you have the right watching if you have the right one, even if you have the right one and you inject it a little bit too much. I've heard of people passing out, I've heard of people end up in the hospital. Um, you don't know. I mean, it's a fact that people are injecting the GLP ones and ending up with this thing called anion. Anion? Yeah, it's basically you go blind.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_01 20:48

Yeah, people are it's happening. There's a subset of people that have issues with their eyes and they end up blind. I mean, there was a massive lawsuit for I think for um what's the first one that came out? The the semi-glute. Oh, Zempec, or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a there was a massive lawsuit. I think it's

Wearables, Sleep Scores, And Recovery Hacks

SPEAKER_01 21:05

still going on. I don't know if they sell it, settled it or not.

SPEAKER_00 21:07

Or let's jump to the wearable devices. You're a scientist, which one works? Which is the best one? Jesus, you know how you see me wearing two right now. I know, but but one of them you're just testing out, right?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

One of them I'm just testing out. Um, I like I like the aura. Yeah, because I think it truly tells me about my sleep. And your sleep score sucks. And my sleep score, well, the last three days you saw them is just bad. Because I've been traveling, I mean, board meetings, all this stuff. And uh pretty much when I travel a lot of times it's bad. It just depends.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Well, I figure your sleep score sucks because I your brain goes 100 miles an hour all the time.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Pretty much it does, but but if sometimes I make the mistake of uh when I'm on the road, especially of eating incorrectly, and I notice I get that cortisol spike, even though I take the right supplements, I'll take a supplement to try to control that. When I'm at home, I sleep well. My sleep scores are 80, 90 consistently. Yeah, at home they are. It's just when I'm On the road when I have too much stress, too much things going on. It's it's a stress induced. Is there any what's your sleep protocol? What do you take? Magnesium or like what? Uh magnesium glycinate. I will do like how much? Um if I'm not mistaken, 300 milligrams.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Yeah, 300 milligrams at night. Yes. I will take a um an adaptogen blend that has like ashwagandh in it, things that help control um cortisol spikes a little bit. I will drink um a tea. So a chamomile tea. It's pretty much part of my pee in the middle of the night. I'll get up if I if I've drank too much water. So the days that I the days that I lift, because I lift late, I end up drinking because when I'm done with work. Normally in the morning I do my cardio with my dog. I gotta take him out. Then at night I'll lift uh because of time. Those days, yes, because I drank a ton of water late.

unknown 22:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Because anytime I work out, I drink because anytime I I'm pretty much my routine is after workout, which we just talked a little bit about, the sauna. I go into I'll go into the sauna right after. That's that'll end my workout. Uh, and I love it. And I love the fact of you know, people never talk about when you're in the sauna, you can measure it. When you're in the sauna long enough and your core has raised up, it's almost like you're doing like a zone one, zone two, look at it. Check it out, a zone two cardio, because your heart rate becomes somewhat elevated, and it's sort of like a hack that people don't understand is dude, go to a gym and get in a sauna for like 20 minutes and and you're gonna rate, just make sure you hydrate well. How hot will you go for 20 minutes? I only do, I've got an infrared, it goes to 150. Mine goes to 150. And you'll see your heart rate, your C you go to zone zone. Yeah, it'll it'll go to 90 something, 100. Wow, yeah, yeah. When I'm in there long enough, yeah, and I make sure I heat it up before I, you know, sometimes you gotta wait a while to heat it up well and to get to max temperature.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Have you looked at the sleep eight mattress yet?

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Have you seen that thing? I have, and uh I'm gonna have to I gotta get one because I love sleeping cold. My wife loves sleeping warm. Same in my house. I I got one.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

The only problem is now I got I got the whoop, I got the o ring and the sleep mattress, and all three never are never the same. The sleep scores are all three different. Yeah, and so I'm on Chat GBT saying which is the best, and I get the O ring is the best for sleep. Yep, right? That's what I think. They say for overall. Yeah, I think there was no information on the sleep eight mattress, but it just feels good.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Yeah, I'm testing the the yume now, and uh I've had it for a couple months. I think it's completely off on the sleep. Not I think I know it's it's off on the sleep, yeah. Completely off on the sleep. Um, I wish it it's 100% right on everything because I'm gonna live forever according to this thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

Can you take too much magnesium at night?

SPEAKER_01 24:36

Uh if no, because I think I take a shit ton. If you if you you know what you're the the the point of that you would know that you took too much is you'll go diarrhea.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Oh, well, so far no. But I take I'll take magnesium. I take something else, theanine or thionine or something like that. Yeah, thyanine. Yes, theanine. And then a little melatonin to try to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

I don't do melatonin, it gives me the opposite effect. I was doing it for a while. Yeah, it gives me it gives me like a little bit of nervousness. Um, I'll wake up like a little bit nervous sometimes during during the middle night, or in the morning I'll wake up with a little bit of nervousness. It's a hormone. Um, so I don't, I don't, I don't take it. Some people it affects differently. Yeah, some people sleep fantastic. I know a lot of people take it that say they love it, they swear by it. I I I I'll do it every once in a while,

What Makes A Stem Cell “Good”

SPEAKER_01 25:20

not that frequent.

SPEAKER_00 25:21

So I told people on my radio show, I was like, shoot me DMs, I have you on, because everyone, everybody, dude, it's like, you know what's funny is I've become like this, I become like this, I want to say expert on stem cells. People come to me all the time and ask me stuff, and I don't know the answers to the questions. Or I try to give my best answer, and I'm like, listen, I'm mean with the guy. I go, I'm gonna have the guy on my podcast. What should I ask him? What do you want to know that you ask me? So some of the questions what exactly makes a stem cell good?

SPEAKER_01 25:50

That's a fantastic question. You want to look at uh one is um potency, and when I talk about potency, is I talk about what does it do? Has it been tested in a body and outside of a body? What does it do? So you can ask that when you call it clinic. Like you already have ask that, show me the I mean inside the body, show me if you've done some studies that you've basically put it in a body, you've removed blood from that person after, and you've looked at, for instance, commonly it's called the cytokine panel. It's basically a a blood panel of specific cell signalers that tells you what's going on with the immune system. And did it suppress it? Did it activate it? What did it do? And then that's one, and then two, it's really important that people understand you're getting something clean, meaning something that's genetically stable.

SPEAKER_00 26:42

And that's what they have at re-health, because I know that's the case. That's what they have, correct. Yeah, yeah. I think the rehealth clinic to me, I mean, I'm biased, but I mean it's US technology. Yeah, it's it's direct technology and and and they're not like you can't you can't get the stem cells at re-health in the United States, right?

SPEAKER_01 26:55

No, you can't get the same exactly.

SPEAKER_00 26:56

So one of the differences if when people ask me this all the time, and that's one of the questions they asked me, and I don't know the right way to answer it. Well, well, how come? Because they're saying you can get them here. And I and I have a couple different answers. One is you can only get like 10 million here, right? Or is that it?

SPEAKER_01 27:09

No, you can get more cells. I'm sure you get more cells here. They're grown differently, they've been studied differently. So just like food is medicine, the way we grow these cells, it's a specific formulation that's been main basically made, studied to make sure that these cells do what they need to do in your immune system. Are they cloned? They're not cloned.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

So they but you they're not expanded, they're not they're expanded, they're grown. What are they grown? What does that mean?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

That means that that you grow them up. So they so one cell becomes two cells, becomes four, becomes eight because they're not, they're uh they're every single stem cell is is what we call a heterogeneous population, meaning has various different types of stem cells, some might be a little bit older than other ones within that population. But these cells are designed, the ones that we use are specifically designed to basically modulate, control your immune system. What we call in a pharmaceutical industry as a polypharmaceutical.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

Okay, so the rehealth stem cells are immune for the immune immune system.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

For the immune system. And there's nothing more important. Right. I guarantee you, if you put 10 guys in a room for longevity and you talked about what is the key to living forever, the immune system has to commonly pop up because it plays a role in everything oxidative stress, mitochondrial function. I mean, everything you can think of, even a genetic disease. You might have a genetic disease, but guess what? There's an immune component to it. Maintain immune health, and it's going to help you, at least your quality of life, live much better.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

So a good quality stem cell can go in and help clean that up. A hundred percent. Yep. A genetic disease. I know you guys fixed it.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Not clean it up, but it can help control the symptoms and the problems from that genetic disease. You will always have that genetic disease. You will always have problems, but it'll help your quality of life.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Dude, my friend got stem cells. He had ulcer colitis, pancreatitis. Yep. One stem cell session, gone. It's been gone for three years.

SPEAKER_01 29:03

Yep. Some people, yeah. Some people's some people are one and done. Some people are one and done. Some people take longer. I mean, as we've seen individuals' hard cases, we study what's called refractory cases. Refractory are individuals that have autoimmune diseases like rheumatoid arthritis, ulcerative colitis, lupus, all these different ones that have tried and exhausted all the drugs that are out there. And then these are the ones that we actually want. We even have a program now. For those that talk about stem cells are too expensive. And if you're sick, we have a program that we fully fund and we will treat you. If you're a refractory patient that has exhausted everything and think life is miserable, it's called the Horizons program. We will treat you. We you will not pay anything. Where is that? Is that on the website? It's it's uh we have, I think it's called oh, is it called the Horizons? I have to get you that. But it's on the ReHealth website or like what it's it's not, it's a different website. I told you that we started up this program and I can get you the website.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Fantastic. All right, someone's asking, uh, does it matter how the cells are administered, IV drip or uh injection into the site?

SPEAKER_01 30:06

Um when we talk about an IV drip is ideal for safety purposes because cells can die, and if they die, they can aggregate, meaning they will form clumps. So you want an IV drip with a filter because the filter will remove clumps. You don't want any issues with aggregates in your lungs, stuff getting stuck in your lungs and your veins, anything like that. Those can be problematic. Uh, what we call a push is dangerous because you basically just put it into a vein and then push it in. That can cause problems because your blood is a speci uh specific viscosity, specific osmolarity, and you that can cause problems. Direct injection into a joint, uh, that's a different story. That works great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

What about you do what's your take on NAD plus? The NAD. I've been doing it once a week. I feel like it's helping me, but I can't prove it.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Yeah, the the the I mean it's something that you have to consistently use. You you might get a little bit of a boost.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

I do it every Monday.

SPEAKER_01 31:02

You gotta you gotta keep doing it. I mean, it's it's it's it's gonna, you know, the stuff turns over really quick.

SPEAKER_00 31:07

Because it's supposed to help feed your cells, right?

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

What's more important for longevity? Replacing damaged cells or fixing the environment those cells live in?

SPEAKER_01 31:17

Uh one is fixing the environment. Number one is fixing the environment that those cells. That's what we're talking about. So that's number one. That's really important. Because if you put, and this is a fact because we do this, if you put good cells into a bad environment, the bad environment will take over. Okay. Will kill those cells a lot quicker.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

What's the biggest lie or misconception right now being told by people in the stem cell? I see stem, maybe because you know, I'm in the stem cell space, I love stem cells, I believe in 100%, and that's my algorithm. I get so many different stem cell stuff. So what what are the lies that they're being told?

SPEAKER_01 31:52

It's not it's not a cure. I mean, the the there's there's no cures. It does not cure you, it does not um, it'll help you change your quality of life, possibly, if it's the right cell. We talk about if it's the right cell, if it's done correctly. It's not a cure.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

If someone tells you I got stem cells, I feel amazing. Does that prove anything?

SPEAKER_01 32:12

Uh no, because there is such a thing called the placebo effect. Placebo, yeah. Yeah. And that's why they're and that's why there's controlled studies um for that. There is a placebo effect with some cases. I believe it.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

Yeah, but so I got

NK Cells And The Prostate Turnaround

SPEAKER_00 32:25

I I I I think I told you part of this, but not the the the complete story. I think this is freaking crazy to me. So I was I thought I had I was peeing a lot. So my doctor, Dr. Bordinko told me, you know, we did a a test and she that said I had a UTI, and it's like, why do I have a UTI? I go, so she gave me the medicine, and the next thing you know, I go, let me get an MRI. She goes, You don't need an MRI. I go, let me get an MRI. So I got an MRI and they found a little lesion on my prostate. So because I got the lesion, have I told you this part yet? I had to get the biopsy. You freaked out, yeah. Yeah, I freaked out, but I had to get the biopsy. Have you ever had a prostate biopsy? Absolutely not. Do you know what goes on with it? Yes, I do. This, yep. This, and then you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you're in stirrups. Yeah. Freaking worst thing that I've ever experienced in my entire life, hands down, right? So they did all the tests and they they came back and and I came back, I came back okay, but there was still there was still a little something there, right? On the prostate. So I went and did the plasma exchange, and then I went and did NK cells. Yep. Right. I got two billion NK cells. I did them at rehealth in Cancun. Yep. Then I just lived my life. And the doctors called me and they said they said, Hey, you're fine. You you you could live. They said you're gonna die of a heart attack before you die of prostate cancer, is what they said, right? But I was still worried about why I was peeing all the time. I get the NK cells, I'm doing normal life. I end up getting a full body MRI, right? Head to toe through a couple of things. Which one did you know? Which one did you do? People asked me, I don't know what it was head to toe. What how will what are the names of? Did you do the the Pernovo? No, it's Simon Med. Okay. Simon Med.com. They have, and it was freaking awesome. Head to toe. Uh, it took about an hour, and then they went over the I gotta show you the pictures. It's crazy. They have actual pictures of your muscles in your legs, everything. So four different doctors at four different clinics, because I took them to four different people, said all my stuff's gone. All the issues that had on my prostate are gone. My PSA is one, 1.3 or so. Yeah, yeah. And I can only attribute it to NK cells.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Natural killer cells are a phenomenal cell in your body that people don't understand. People are not, I mean, we're we we've been working on these things since 2011. And it's a special cell in your body that is designed, it's I call it it's the first responder. You know, I'm gonna talk about it actually tonight. It's the first responder in your body to the worst things that you can think of. A mutated cell, cancer, the first responder to viruses, bad viruses in your body. And then lastly, old cells, it's designed to remove old cells. The problem is that natural killer cells get old, just like you do.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

So when you get natural killers, well, first of all, my story is like you you're like, yeah, of course, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 35:02

I've yeah, I hear that story with natural killer cells all the time. And we're crazy. We have we have somebody that had uh melanoma that had metastasized to other areas. She had a portion of it removed all over her skin. It had metastasized to other areas. And she said she didn't want to go traditional, do anything. She did multiple infusions of NK cells. Her doctors are blown away. She's no sign of disease now. That's amazing. And it's yeah, it's stuff like that that I hear regularly that drives me, that that makes us actually in our, I mean, our place in California that does all the research. I have an NK team, natural killer cell team there that does a ton of work on all aspects of natural killer cells, even modifying them. We're modifying them now too. And what we see, what we see like in a petri dish just blows us away with what we can do. And and you know what what the future holds for that cell is you'll see a lot of you're gonna start hearing that a lot more. People getting there's

NK Cells For Senescence And Longevity

SPEAKER_01 36:00

a lot more companies now getting into it.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

How often should someone do?

SPEAKER_01 36:02

I mean, obviously, whatever you can afford, whatever you can do it, but what is it if you every every every I I mean I think an ideal protocol is like every six months. Uh we're now producing off-the-shelf ones that yeah, you will be able to do that. So they're not your DNA because mine they're not yours.

SPEAKER_00 36:16

The the NK that we did with the city.

SPEAKER_01 36:17

That one from you, yeah, yeah, yeah, which we call activated. We published a paper on them in 2022. Um, they're activated NK cells. What we see is that uh these we know who the ideal donor is, what the ideal donor type is, and we can now produce a crazy amount of in these bioreactors. Wait, so then crazy amount of pure NK cells.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

If you're not capable of giving blood, let's say you're an older, I know a woman uh in in her, she's 90, bone cancer, she's been getting NK cells, and I think you know she's kind of having a rough time right now. So she's like, I can't, they can't get the blood from me for NK. She could use she can use this off the shelf, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Wow, I gotta let their doctor know about that. Yeah, that's crazy. She can use this off the shelf now, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

But so for me, you think that uh what's what's a good number? Because I think the first time I did NK, you got four billion and you put two billion in me.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

We put two billion. Two billion's about what you you you walk around with, I think it's one to two billion, depends on the individual. You everybody walks around two or something? Everybody walks around a certain amount. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of senescent cells in there. If you're over, if you're over 40, over 50, and if you've had medical issues, uh if you've had chemo radiation, because that's what we're talking about studying now uh at Northwestern University, is looking at following chemo radiation, the amount of senescent that happens everywhere in the body is crazy. And it's now a model that you can actually study.

SPEAKER_00 37:36

Can you look at them on a on a microscope and see which ones are dead cells or zombie cells?

SPEAKER_01 37:40

I can I can I I have a fairly good trained eye that I can tell they become large, fat, ugly, stri, what we call striated when they're relatively large with a lot of extensions on them, versus a nice, bright, smaller cell.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

And the smaller cell come eat it, come get rid of it?

SPEAKER_01 37:57

Uh the NK cell will come and eat it and get rid of it.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

So you're saying the average person has two billion?

SPEAKER_01 38:02

When they walk around, they will they'll walk around with anywhere from a billion, two billion cells. But like when I got two million healthy. And they turn over in your body. Your bone marrow produces new ones all the time.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

But when you gave me my two billion, you already had two billion.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

That are in their work in your stuff. And they're working to remove, they're working to remove the bad stuff in your body. Virally loaded cells, meaning other, so because they went into your immune system. They're gonna start off with if you have uh T cells, other immune cells that are damaged that are not functioning correctly, they're gonna remove those. If you have other cells that have maybe a virus in it, if you had a mutated cell, they might target that. But normally our the cells that we actually what we call charge and produce are designed basically to target senescence, those zombie cells in the body. So you get rid of the bad cells, get rid of the bad cells, and when you do that, it forces your own endogenous, your own system to say, I need to produce more cells, I need to regenerate, I need to now the bone marrow now comes into play where it has the release signals to remove, you know, to get rid of them. Like there's a lot of people like you know, and we and we do studies on this, which I'm I'm gonna talk about that too this evening. Is if I took your, you know, people like, oh, I do NK cells, and what a lot of these people are doing, and you can, I mean, ultimately you pay what you get. Right. You know, if I take blood from you right now and I purify your NK cells and then I put it back into you, I've done nothing. Because it's your same exact cells. Your bone marrow is gonna produce some more because I remove some, right? But very few. But it's gonna be the same exact thing you had in your system already. Okay. Versus if I put them in a specific formulation and I basically make them potent, because we've studied these for years, I now make them effective killers like when you were young. And that's what we focus on. We focus on making them, we look at killing activity. Killing activity, which is called cytotoxicity, is I want my NK cells to basically be able to clean house and fight one-on-one.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Jack Reacher, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 39:55

Yeah, one-on-one guys. One-on-one guys at what we call serial killers. One cell can kill one of your bad cells and then go and kill three other bad cells. Wow. That's a true killer. If I look at my, when I pull my blood out and I pull, and we've tested my blood a ton of times because I'm guinea pig one, and I basically put my blood without doing anything of growth or expanding them or activating them. My cells, my regular NK cells kill at anywhere from seven to one or ten to one, meaning I need seven or ten NK cells to kill one unhealthy cell. Right. When I basically take my cells and I charge them, I now bring them all the way down to an efficiency of about three to one. These new ones that we're producing that are from the ideal donor are killing at one to one. Not only are they killing at one to one, but they're also serial killing, meaning they're done, they don't they haven't exhausted their power. They're like that maximum UFC fighter that whips one ass and goes whipping the other one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Wow, man. Yeah. And and and is it smart or not smart to do NK and stem cells?

SPEAKER_01 40:56

You I I'm more of a believer of don't over tap the system. You can you do one and then you wait. Okay, because it's the NK wouldn't kill the eat the stem cells, would they? No, it wouldn't, it wouldn't, it wouldn't do that. That that's the other neat thing about the NK cells designed to surveil, and it'll basically it might bind something that sees like it's foreign, but that cell and the NK cell will have an what's called an inhibitory protein on there that'll say, you cannot kill this, you can't target this, you can't kill this. So it'll just maybe bind and then it'll release and it'll go to a next cell. That's the way it surveils and sees what it has to kill.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

When you put the charged up NK cells in your body, how long are they in there serial killing?

SPEAKER_01 41:34

Well, we serial killing, we don't, we don't know. We'll see serial killing that basically they can kill serially anywhere from three to five times. But as far as how long they're in your system, if you look at the literature in animal models, about 28 days.

SPEAKER_00 41:46

And they're in there doing their thing for 28 days cleaning stuff up.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

And are they do you treat them as gingerly as you do stem cells? You don't want to, you don't want to drink alcohol, you don't want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 41:55

You don't, you don't when we do cell therapies in general, you don't want to do I I'm the firm believer of you got to be clean.

SPEAKER_00 42:01

What about sauna after NK? You can do sauna.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Yeah, you just don't want to do it that soon. I don't, I'm not a a believer of, I might be wrong, but I'm not a believer of of basically heating up the system immediately after getting a cell therapy because you're already challenging the immune system.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Dude, the NK thing is unbelievable. I can't like it was almost like crying seeing the results from four different doctors and you know, and that didn't talk to each other. Like they just saw my results, and I was like, they're like, what'd you do? And I'm like, NK cells. Yep. Ate up everything. That's nuts, man. Okay, so let's go over like website rehealth.com. Rehealth.com. I mean, I I it's endless for me the information, yeah, the questions I get about rehealth and the stem cells. I send people there all the time. I think it's the best clinic in the country, in the world.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

I mean, if they want to know more stuff, they can. I mean, you can go on my Instagram page too. I always talk about all this and what's correct. You know, there's some there's some other people doing good work

When Cell Therapy Goes Wrong

SPEAKER_01 42:55

out there. You just have to be cautious. Right. There's a lot of people getting messed up getting cell therapies. I have heard of a lot of cases. Like what happens when you get messed up? What are the symptoms? An infection, uh, feel really sick afterwards. Uh there's many things that can go wrong. I mean, I've heard of a lot of people getting wicked infections. I mean, we have a you know, you you met Josh Axe.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:16

He's, you know, some of these guys are getting really bad. He got an infection from like uh he got an infection from he went, he went uh outside the country. He went to I forgot what country. Not not St. Kitts. Um I think it was Grant Cayman or something like that. And got injected in his spine and and got a bad and it's in between an infection or or basically a bad say a bad batch that caused cell death.

SPEAKER_00 43:42

I saw him speak and he was talking about how he just laid in bed for like a year or something, right? Couldn't walk. And now and then what the rehealth some cells helped him.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Yep, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

So then he worked. So he went and got an IV drip to go or anything.

SPEAKER_01 43:52

He got IV plus local injections plus other stuff that he had done. Um he's uh he's a you know what's funny is that's somebody that. Truly has faith, and I I'm I'm honored to know him because think of if you got stem cells somewhere, would you have the guts to then talk to somebody and say, I believe in what you're doing, I'm gonna give this a shot, and I think this makes sense and it'll work. Would you go and try stem cell somewhere else or do something like that somewhere else after you went through? We're talking about somebody that had to be metavaced to get treated.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

Like I mean, it's so who was it that took was it you?

SPEAKER_01 44:30

Did you he meet with you and you yeah, I met I met with him, I met him through Dr. Dan Pompa, okay, as we commonly know.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:35

And I talked to him. I mean, my specialty is spinal cord injury, he had a spine issue. I mean, I'm not a I'm not an orthopedic doctor, I think, but scientifically that's my specialty. And I went through a lot of spine issues myself. So I basically we we talked a lot and and we became colleagues and and I worked through what I believe would work.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

So you're like, get over it, try my stem cells.

SPEAKER_01 44:54

I think there's things that we can do. I put them on with colleagues that I knew that were supportive and and talked to them about different modalities that can be done too. You know, I talked to them a lot about the pool, what I went through when I had my spine injury with using an aqua jogger, just focusing on the pool, trying to stabilize a trunk, putting zero pressure on the spine, and getting like the correct rehab, going through all of it. It's just a mixture of getting everything.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

And then you just started

Dead Hangs, Grip Strength, And Back Health

SPEAKER_00 45:20

getting better and better. Started getting better and better. Yep. What's your take on as far as exercise? Because I'm very cautious with my back about like a dead hang. A dead hang good for you? What do you mean, uh like you just hang?

SPEAKER_01 45:31

There's there is no better exercise than that.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

Are you serious?

SPEAKER_01 45:36

There's no there's no better exercise than that. And what people don't understand with that exercise is besides the decompression portion of it, it is a true longevity test. You're supposed to be able to hang, depending on your age, no less than 30 seconds. I mean, anybody over, yeah, you should be able to hang for if you can hang for 30 seconds, you're in good shape. And it's an indicator of longevity.

SPEAKER_00 46:00

I I hang and I like because I can feel at some point after hanging for a second, you feel your spine go like and I'm like, oh, okay, I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 46:07

I do it every morning. But but it also makes you so much stronger, and it also strengthens the shoulders, it strengthens the entire upper back. And I mean, a true indicator of strength, I mean, it just depends how much you weigh too, is pull-ups. Oh god. You know, pull-ups are beast beast mode exercise. Uh-ups are so hard, they're hard, they're hard as hell. They're hard, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

I do the assisted pull-ups with the band. Yep. Right. I mean, because you're you're you're a bigger guy. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to do. That's hard to saw me.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

I was 255. I'm 230 now. Yeah. So you should go back to try to, yeah, but if you're hanging consistently, you will be blown away because it actually improved my pull-ups. So at some juncture, I was doing like I would be doing like six to eight, and now I do 10 to 12. And I focus at the end of my workout now. It's just just trying to just hold on. Hold on for dear life life. Hold on, hang grip for dear life. Like if you're doing a pull-up or a chin up, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 46:57

So you'll do it, you'll do the dead hang after your workout.

SPEAKER_01 47:00

After my workout is one of the things that I do now, is is I do, especially when I do the day I do back workout, and I just hang on, and I've noticed my forearms have gotten bigger, my grip is much stronger, and grip strength is another longevity test too. Have you measured your body stuff since you started on the road?

SPEAKER_00 47:15

I haven't, no. No. Because that Reddit does all that stuff too, right? Yep.

Skin, Copper Peptides, And Red Light

SPEAKER_00 47:20

Well, I mean it's phenomenal. What about the um, you know, your your skincare line? Uh it has it's a ju juvo. Juvexo, yeah. Juvexo. Yeah, yeah. Um, that has stem cells in it, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:31

It's it's made from stem cells. Made from stem cells. It's just the signals that the stem cells secrete out. We put in a specific formula, uh, studied it with Cleveland Clinic many years ago with a focus of haluronic acid because it's one of the key key analytes in your body, key things that are in your body. It's the second most abundant thing that's actually in your body. It helps build and maintain uh all the organs. So it's the fluid that's in your knees, it's the fluid that lines within the organs, the heart, the leading, the liver.

SPEAKER_00 47:58

Skin care, like this?

SPEAKER_01 47:59

Okay, so this is something that's this is something that's frozen, and because you have to maintain the doctor to get a procedure in your life. We sell only directly to correct the doctors.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Because I'm starting to see peptides in skincare stuff.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

Yep. Yeah, yeah. There's the GHK coppers. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

A lot of people swear by this stuff, say it's great. Have you researched that?

SPEAKER_01 48:17

I have. Uh, copper is great. Copper is a phenomenal thing for your body for overhealth energy. People, yeah, you inject it. You inject it because I mean, if you think of the skin as the largest organ in our body, right? And if you inject it, it's gonna this stuff, the peptides, they're so small they go systemic. Uh, you inject this stuff, and what I hear consistently though is if you're gonna do this, like the GHK coppers and the blends that are out there, you got to be pretty constant with them and stick on them for a long time. Because some people they'll go on for them for a week or two. I don't notice anything. I've seen, I mean, this weekend I was talking to a friend, I was like, what the hell did you do to your skin? Did you we're like, you know, my wife and I were like, Don't lie, man, you've had Botox. Right. She was like, I swear there's no Botox. I go, then you fill I swear no filters. She showed me a before and after after three months of being on uh GHK, you know, this the copper.

SPEAKER_00 49:05

And it but the injection, the injection, the injection. So the but it's like, does our body have a shortage of copper in our system?

SPEAKER_01 49:12

Is copper the something that's I mean it's it's I don't know if it's a shortage of copper, but apparently it it's it's it's it's helping tremendously with skin. And a lot of people are seeing it and overall health and period. Wow. Well, I'll look into that then, but I was afraid of injecting copper. No, it's not gonna do. You're not gonna um you're not gonna turn any color.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

Turn into the the freaking uh what is it, the guy from uh the Fantastic Food.

SPEAKER_01 49:36

That's a that's a silver, the thing. The silver. I know I know a guy that sells silver and you use it. He he has so much of it that his tongue is blue already. Speaking of blue, methylene blue. No, negative. I'm a scientist, and uh I no, I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't put that stuff in my body. The reason being is because I I know it's cytotoxic, meaning it's toxic to cells, and we commonly use it to stain to look at cells. It causes an inflammatory response. Maybe that's why it might do something. I don't know, but I wouldn't put that. People are putting this stuff in their veins, I wouldn't do it. Red light beds, phenomenal. Red light therapy is fantastic. I mean, there's more and more evidence coming out, and and in between that, and I mean, the number one go-to is there's saunas and hyperbaric are number ones.

SPEAKER_00 50:19

The uh so Gary Breka posted a video just a couple days ago where he's showing everyone his protocol and he gets shown uh his red light bed. And he says in there, and I thought I've heard him say this a long time ago, too. He goes, I get in my red light bed for 20 minutes, and he does, he keeps his eyes open.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:34

What can you is that okay?

SPEAKER_01 50:37

I I I don't know. I think it has to do more with what wavelengths it is versus some of them have specific wavelengths that are safe. Other ones I'd be cautious with.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

I don't, you know, because I go and Carrie, my doctor has one. I've been going to it in it for five years, and she has little glasses she supplies. I wear glasses with mine too. After Gary said it, I was like, I'm gonna try it, but I did it without the glasses, but I kept my eyes closed, right? So I kept my eyes closed. Yeah, yeah, that should be fine. Yeah, but my. Even though the glare, the glare bothers you, though. When I opened them up a little bit, when I came out, everything I blinked, it was green, everything was green everywhere for like a half hour. I was like, geez, I I want to interview Gary and get specific about that. But yeah, the photobiomodulation is really good for you. And I would think that'd be good for your cells too. Stem cells, if you get stem cells.

SPEAKER_01 51:17

100% it should.

SPEAKER_00 51:18

But what's your time frame? Because uh doesn't stem cells cause inflammation, right? You want the inflammation when you get stem cells?

SPEAKER_01 51:24

Stem cells, uh no, they don't cause inflammation, they control the they're they serve as an anti-inflammatory.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

So when you get a red bed, the inflammation setting the inflammation goes down too.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

So it would help it should help. As long as it's not a light that's heating up the system too much, because for instance, if you were to use a bed, something with specific wavelength that can heat up the core too much, then I think it might damage cells. Okay, so that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

But that sauna doesn't do that.

SPEAKER_01 51:52

No, not within that's why we talk about after 24 hours. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, you can do red light, you can do all that stuff. I mean, after 24 hours, I'm I'm complete. I just try to avoid mixing too many things because then you you burn in the system, you tap

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SPEAKER_01 52:05

the system. Remember, you made a change, and then you're talking about adding in a bunch of other variables to it. You you don't know.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

All right, so let's give out some websites information to get a hold of you. Because uh to get to get a hold of well, all the stem cells and NK cells, you go to rehealth.com.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

Rehealth.com, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:20

The skincare?

SPEAKER_01 52:21

Yeah, uh juvexoj u v e x o com.

SPEAKER_00 52:24

And ask your doc if you get Botox, if you go to uh what do you call those places?

SPEAKER_01 52:27

Uh medical place, ask for that. Yeah, yeah. You should see did you see the people magazine case that we did in Canada? No. So it came out on People Magazine about a month and a half ago. And the crazy thing about it is that I didn't even know, this magically fell into my hand, is I didn't even know about it until I get a call from one of our sales reps and says, Hey, I sold this product to McMaster University. McMaster University tested your product versus a bunch of others, and then a bunch of sorority girls, it's in People Magazine, got burned in a sorority house messing around with alcohol. Oh, burn burn, like burn burn, burn burn, like second burn, second third degree burns. Like if you see some of these images, you're like, oh my god. And they then approached Healthcare Canada. Can we actually use this product? You know, they consider like this is possibly a drug, whatever. Can we use this product to treat uh these girls, all of them? Apparently, what they told me was that they told them no, but we'll let you try it on. They give you approval to do it on one on one person. The one girl that got it didn't get skin graphs, and her skin looks you can't even tell. And if you see the before burns and this is three weeks later, it's crazy. And the other people and the other people got skin grafts and don't look good.

SPEAKER_00 53:43

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Yeah. Oh, I gotta look that up. Yep, it's on People Magazine. All right. Yeah, if you just type in uh uh burn, burn victim, recent burn victim on people magazine, you'll it'll come out. You'll see Juvo X. What do you call Juvo? It doesn't, our our brand doesn't come out because it's through a university, but it's it's ours. It's yours, it's ours because we're talking to now doing we're not talking about doing a burn study. You burned after this after this came out, uh, we were contacted by a hospital in Egypt. That's a massive burn center. They get six burns a day.

SPEAKER_00 54:13

Dude, that's another thing. I've been seeing you in Dubai, seeing you all over the friggin' place, man.

SPEAKER_01 54:18

Yeah, I was in Egypt recently, it was really, really sad at this hospital called El Nas, and it's a fully funded hospital with all donations. 75% are kids uh that get treated there for different congenital heart issues, they have a massive burn unit. That's why we went there. They contacted us because hey, we have to, we ran out of skin grafts, we have to find a different way to to use you know something. So we're talking about doing uh study with them plus local US um Loyola Marimount.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Oh, wow. To do a burn center. Yeah, burn center. I can't wait to see that. That's gonna be huge. You guys, you so you're you're that's the thing, man. You're like changing lives, saving lives, trying people.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Trying my best. I mean, if we can help one person, I'd love to hear that. I mean, what happened with you is great. Oh man, those are always great.

SPEAKER_00 55:03

I know it's unbelievable. That's why I'm I will preach you guys for the scream of the top of the mountains forever, man. Rehealth.com, rehealth.com. Stem cells, indicate cells, Rafael Gonzalez. Thank you, man. Hey, thanks for jumping on my podcast again.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Thank you for having me. I appreciate the time. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.