"Most of What Kills Us Is Preventable": A Longevity Doctor's Wake-Up Call

Welcome And A Surprise Guest

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. So I gotta tell you, I'm tripping out that you're here because this is gonna sound totally weird. But like when I found out you're like a real person, because I always thought Simon Med was Simon Med. I didn't know there was a guy behind it. Isn't that weird?

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

I mean Have you ever heard that before?

SPEAKER_02 0:36

Yeah, I have heard. Yeah, people don't realize it's I'm a real. You know, when I first started, I was gonna when I went out to start the practice, I was gonna call it advanced imaging specialists. I thought, oh, this is, you know, it would have been a horrible name in retrospect. But we had a family friend who said, no, you if you're gonna start it, name it after yourself because people will remember it and it'll mean something. You sure do, man. Like, how long has Simon Med been Simon Med? It's uh about 2003. We start I started.

SPEAKER_01 1:04

What? I feel like you've been around forever. I feel like Simon Med's been around my whole life.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

No, I mean, we've grown. I mean, I've been in practice a lot longer, so I've been in practice over 30 years. Um, but no, we've been 2003, so 23 years.

SPEAKER_01 1:19

That blows my mind. Like, so when uh we were talking about you know, guests and stuff. So how about you know, Dr. Simon Simon? I was like, what? Like I know Simon Med, but I had no idea there was a dude. And it blew, and then I met you, okay. So there's people I I've been to Simon Med, my wife, me, my three boys, probably a thousand different times for issues, right? From you know, broken bones to everything, right? For the prostate to the heart to the whole that clearly things. And one of my favorite people in the whole world is Shane Bannister.

SPEAKER_02 1:50

Oh, Shane's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Shane he's been a long time. He is one solid employee. So I just wanted to give him some props out there. So if you go if you see him or talk to him, but I love that guy, and I think he is a great employee, and I think he represents your company well, and he's just great.

SPEAKER_02 2:06

Oh, yeah, he he's not only technically excellent, but he's so caring with patience. Yeah, he's great. He's he's just amazing.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

He's just a great human being. He's one of my favorite people. But enough about so when you say when you started the practice, how did where? Where were you? How did this start? How do you come here? What happened? Tell me everything.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

So, I mean, I'd already first of all, how I came here. So, Arizona, I like sunshine. As you as you noticed, I'm wearing a sweater and it's you know, it's 80 degrees out. But uh my wife and I looked at different places, she's an OBGYN, so she's practiced in in healthcare as well. We wanted to go to an area where it was warm and growing. So Arizona just loved Arizona, you know, growing city, a lot of new people, and great climate. And you started Simon Med here? I started here, but when I first came here, um, you know, it's hard to believe that it's been such a long time, but I started here over uh really about over 30 years ago, 35 years ago, actually. And so I started just in a community practice with one of the hospital-based groups for radiology. So um about 30, 40 years ago, and somewhat the same today, radiology is a little different than some other areas of medicine. So if you're gonna be, let's say, a family practice, you can go and start yourself. You used to be

Why SimonMed Is Named Simon

SPEAKER_02 3:20

able to do that at least. But in radiology, the equipment's so expensive, you usually join to hospital-based practice. So when I came out here, I interviewed with different hospital practices. I ended up with a good practice, and I practiced for a number of years. My specialty then was interventional radiology, so doing procedures. So I spend my day doing different kinds of interventions, angioplastys, things like that. And I did that for over 10 years. But what was interesting is radiology changed. With the advent of computers, the you know, we take it for granted now, but you know, the the power of computers even 20 years ago was revolutionary, the home computer. So when that evolved, it opened up new areas in radiology. So instead of just doing procedures, all kinds of new outpatient exams were possible with MRI and CT. And so that's where you got, you know, today you do routine imaging, let's say for the heart, routine imaging for the brain, the joints, even the prostate, or CT scans where you can freeze cardiac motion. That was starting to evolve about over 20 years ago. And so what I could see is I really love doing intervention, but I also like science and I also liked innovation. And you could just see there's a whole new world opening up with all these diagnostic uh uh exam or possibilities now with the more powerful equipment.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

When you say you're so you know, forgive me, I'm not in the medical field. Sometimes I mean I got to go way you know, I mean, double beats. So I always thought a radiologist was someone who read the MRI. So you're in there doing things, so you're cutting people open and so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

So there's a part of radiology called interventional radiology. So all through my medical school, my father is a general surgeon, so it was kind of foregone conclusion that I was supposed I was gonna be a surgeon, but I I was pretty immature. I mean, hopefully folks will appreciate this, you know. So I wanted to outdo my father, super nice guy, very modest, very humble. So great role model, very hardworking, always worked. Um, but I was gonna be a neurosurgeon. I figured, of course, my dad was a general surgeon. I was gonna take my opportunity that I had, you know, for education and everything. I was gonna be a neurosurgeon. But then I started to interview in my last year of medical school. And that's where you kind of interview and decide on your residency. And um, one of the uh students in a group that I was rotating with was uh father was a radiologist, and I hadn't really thought about radiology at all. But he described kind of a field where you use all the anatomy, but you also had all the imaging. So you could do both the anatomy with the imaging, but also you could do procedures, which I wasn't aware of. Okay, that's what I mean. Sound like I didn't even know that in my fourth year of medical school. I really had no idea. So as I started interviewing in neurosurgery, which I think is a wonderful field, um I figured it would take my career in one direction where I'd be consumed doing surgeries all day. And I really liked science and I liked multiple different areas in medicine rather than just one field. And so I changed my mind at the last minute. And

Arizona, Sunshine, And Early Practice

SPEAKER_02 6:05

I decided to go into radiology, but I wanted to do interventional radiology where I get exposed to all the different areas of medicine through radiology, but then able to do procedures. And the type of procedures was really changing. So uh angioplasty, we think of heart angioplasty, that was actually a radiologist that invented it. But there's all kinds of procedures with angioplasty dilatation of blood vessels, tumor treatment, we call it embolization, where you you treat uh tumors with minimally invasive techniques with a small catheter. Uh, there's areas in the brain actually where you treat aneurysms through a small catheter. So there's an area that was really evolving. So it was interesting to me. And when I started radiology, it was a big shift from neurosurgery, but I knew right then the first year I wanted to do intervention. So I did the interventional, uh, I did the what you'd call kind of the undergraduate or the regular training in radiology, which is several years, and then you do specialty training on top of that, which is the intervention. So I did all of that, and then uh once we decided where we wanted to live, interviewed, uh, and uh fortunate to find a good job in Arizona. And uh my basis of my job for the radiology group, and like you said, most radiologists were sitting there reading films, you know, in the dark, um, was to do procedures. So it was fun. My day was is much more interesting. I get to do procedures, interact with patients, and then read films on this, you know, in between. So that was just a great experience. It was really enjoyable. But I would have to say, after doing it for over almost 14 years, actually, I wanted to do something different. It it I became good at it. I was fast. And um, but outpatient became more interesting. All the new things you could do in diagnostic radiology. When was the last time you cut somebody open? Oh, it's been probably 15 years. Do you miss it or no? I miss it sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 7:49

Do you pop in every once in a while?

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Um, not as much. I can't say I I I have it, I I get the opportunity to do that, but I track it in terms of procedures and what you can do.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

What about your wife? Is she still practicing?

SPEAKER_02 8:00

She's retired now, so she's had a long run of it as an OBGYN, but that's a very hard life, too. Yeah. A lot of call, a lot of stress. But she enjoyed it too.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

So it's your OBGYN, she's on call, like right, babies are being born all the time. For you, did you know? Oh, I got eight hours, I'm good.

SPEAKER_02 8:15

So, for me, it's interesting. So, your perception of radiologists or radiology is correct. Most of them are used to just doing reading studies and you know, reading in a room, they can read remotely. So, my work as interventional when I did call, it was actually pretty stressful because you'd be in the middle of doing procedures at night, trauma patients trying to stop them from bleeding. There's such things as embolization. Um, there's procedures we used to do on patients that had liver failure, and you'd bypass, create a shunt within the liver. So very technical exams, but you'd be doing that and then you'd be reading films in between. Right. So my call was totally different than a regular radiologist's call. And it's still the same today. The interventionalists have a different type of call, but it's very exciting and fun. If you like the procedures, um, you really can help people. You get to meet the patients, you can have a direct impact immediately. So it's a little med school. I went to med school at the University of Chicago in the Midwest. It was uh a very good med school. It was smaller, about 100 students per class, and it was more uh science oriented. First week, we all got assigned to research projects. Mine was uh doing uh mouse transplants, so doing surgery and mice, doing renal transplants. It was really cool. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. But so it's kind of a long cycle to get where I am. I I would say that doing procedures for a number of years and just being that kind of physician, um, going out on your own, starting a new practice was not something I couldn't do.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Right. Where did your dad go to med school?

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Now he went, uh he went during wartime. It was interesting. So his story was he was going to go to one place and then the draft occurred, and then um he ended up at the University of Tennessee, which he liked. He grew up in Kansas City also, and then he went on to off to the Korean War and then did his general surgery after that.

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Oh, so he was like mash unit?

SPEAKER_02 10:01

Uh I think so. He it was really interesting. He said he had great experience. Um, but it seemed like that, yes, it did seem like that a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Um, are you now because I know Simon Med, um it's funny, Simon, when I talk about Simon Med and you're Simon Med. Um, the whole longevity thing is exploding, right? I was just in a four-day conference in Cancun, got back last night with all these doctors and uh talking about longevity and anti-aging, and and it just seems to be like the thing right now, right? I don't want to call it biohacking, but longevity. Uh, you know, the MRIs, the full body of things, and that's it, it seems like there's a lot of that at Simon Med now, right? You don't need to, you can just go and say, can I get a full body MRI? What's made you go that way?

SPEAKER_02 10:42

So I I would say uh the how do I say this? We I've always been interested in the longevity. So if I could step back and say it's something that we've been doing for a long time, but some things have changed, which has made it more widely accepted, and there's a lot of new technology. So the first site I opened um had a cardiac CT. We could image the coronary arteries, not as well as today, but we could image it and put a cardiac MRI. We could freeze cardiac motion. Um it's reminding me, we used to work with uh um one of the researchers here who's a cardiologist who's implanting stem cells, and he needed to image the heart for the stem cell implants over 20 years ago. We would do the imaging for him. And so, as part of that with the speed, um, I traveled the world. So I even traveled then before I opened the first outpatient site. And I think folks probably have told you this. I've gone all over. So longevity, I love longevity. I go to the conferences and I'm a secret shopper. I've been to Shanghai, I've been to London, I've been to uh Netherlands, uh, all kinds of places. You're a secret shopper for longevity clinics? Oh, yes, I like doing that too.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

But your own secret shopper or people like hire you to be secret shopping? No, no, I'm my own secret secret shopper. So you go to the Netherlands and go to an anti-aging clinic, and what do you do? Try all the stem cells, try all the procedures?

SPEAKER_02 11:57

I haven't done as much in the I haven't done the intervention, so I gotta say that. But I like the imaging side of it and I like the diagnostic workup of the labs and I like to see how they approach it. Like NECO Health, I just went to recently in London. I've been to Shank. I mean, I've been all

Interventional Radiology Beyond Reading Scans

SPEAKER_02 12:10

like from place in place of London. How long are you there for? Typically, uh the ones I've gone to are like a day. So I haven't gone for the extended follow-up because what we offer typically right now is the experience to try to maximize value for patients and see. And my goal is to see the latest technology and what we can do to maximize. So I I travel also for research to see new protocols and new things we can do. But you don't tell them that you're a doctor, right?

SPEAKER_01 12:32

No, I wouldn't. I feel like you would come out in the way you speak.

SPEAKER_02 12:34

No, I'm I'm careful. I'm usually pretty shy. So you you're you're such you're you make me feel very comfortable. So I appreciate that. So thank you. But no, I'm usually pretty shy. So I I just sit there and I'm a good patient. Um but what do you do?

SPEAKER_01 12:47

You walk in there at Shanghai or in the Netherlands and you go, so if you're there for a day, well, what what procedures can you get done to yourself as a guinea pig?

SPEAKER_02 12:55

So uh different so different ones are different. So in London, you meet with a family doc or a general practitioner, they meet with you at the beginning, they put you there, they put you through a series of MRIs, ultrasound, hearing tests, uh, blood tests, and a few other ones. And then at the end of the day, they they do a skin exam very quickly with the dermatologist came in, and then they meet with you at the end of the day. So they don't have all the labs back, and so they give you kind of 75% of the way there of what they found. And in London, they had me meet with a radiologist, which is kind of funny. Right. So I'm sitting there, they they were using uh goggles, they give you 3D goggles and they want to show you what the brain looks like in 3D. So it was kind of fun to see it from the patient's perspective, and so that was interesting, but then you leave there, and then a week or two later you get an email with all your results. Yeah, so for the that clinic, they give you an initial impression and then they give you the results. You know, that one was about 10 days later. So that was interesting. And then um, more recent experiences, China was very interesting. So my results didn't come there for three weeks because it was all in Chinese and they had to translate it. Uh-huh. But it was a beautiful clinic uh in Shanghai. So it's a you know huge building, and and they do a lot of preventive uh uh images.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

You didn't get any procedures done, you just let them take your blood examples.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Blood exam. But I've done it even, for instance, in San Diego, there's a clinic I did years ago that uh they do balance and things like that. So they each are a little different. And I love this. Yeah, I love that you do that. Yeah, it's really I think it's good to see.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

But has it ever been to one of these clinics you've gone to and one of the procedures was tempting to you? I want to try stem cell therapy. I want like what is there anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 14:31

Oh, yeah, no, no. I think if I was stain put, I'd be interested in some of the therapy that they do, depending on uh, you know, on the area, because everyone has different areas that they want to improve upon. But I do think the stem cells are so fascinating, the peptides now, things that do improve muscle health. One thing that we're working on in our newest uh exam that we're gonna introduce is gonna look at muscle strength and power because uh you lose muscle. Not muscle is 40% of your body weight. Right. So you you lose, I mean, you lose it starting age 30 to 40. But one thing that I didn't realize uh really, I I visited a site in Calgary, University of Calgary, the medical center there, and met with their chief scientist who trains the Olympic athletes. And I think you had him here on the podcast. He had Matt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so Matt's very interesting. So one thing I learned from him is you can lift all you want. And I'm skinny, so it's hard for me to gain weight no matter what I do, but um power is what you want when you're older, right? You can't move quick enough. So I've changed my whole workout completely after meeting Matt. And then working with Matt, we're gonna add a whole diagnostic uh uh section to our uh whole body imaging. We're we're actually gonna we're gonna call it the Simon 360, but we're gonna bring folks in and we'll do different clinical tests as well. Labs on site, done before they patients leave, but we're also uh gonna launch uh with uh I think I can say it with Techno Gym. But we Oh the equipment.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

The equipment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just worked out on one yesterday.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Oh yeah. So so they have uh what Techno Gym's interesting because they have a clinical line of equipment too, which they have nice gym equipment, but they also have a clinical line. But we're gonna use that equipment to assess power. So instead of doing the funniest thing, one of the clinics for for strength, for muscle, they give you a grip strength. It's like a $25 device. Yeah, use it. Yeah, use it. And that's if you can believe, that is how they judge your whole muscle health, this one little device. Right. And but the fact is, um, no one's really done it the way that Matt and I have talked about it. We're gonna map upper body power using power with the technogem bio strength. So it's instead of having plates, you have the continuous motor servo, motor servo system. These are the new systems that are driven by motors rather than just the weights themselves. And so we're gonna test and define someone's upper body strength, lower body strength with a leg press. It's an expensive device to put in multiple outpatient clinics, and we'll define that, and then we're gonna do MRI imaging to try to define the muscle volume, but also the type of uh muscle fibers, because the type two fibers you lose selectively as you age, and also with the GLP ones. And so those are the ones that you lose power, and we're gonna try to be able to create a monitoring pathway. But your point's a great point. That's just the first step. The the interesting thing is then how do you treat it? And that's the really exciting thing.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

So somebody'll come to the clinic, get a full body MRI, do the muscle thing, and then you guys say, Hey, uh, here's you need to work out twice a week doing power, doing this, these exercises, eat this food. So you'll do it, it'll be a one-stop shop at a Simon Med.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

It's gonna be on the diagnostic side, but I think on the clinical side, uh, for now we're gonna defer it to specialized clinics that are doing the the intervention side. One thing I'm a strong believer in is more than just assuming that diet is gonna take care of it. That's why I think it's so interesting with medications now. Some people are opposed to medications, but some medications are good, like for um heart disease. They can be a game changer. Now there's multiple treatment pathways. So you have you're allergic to one or can't handle one. But it'll be interesting to see over the next few years all the advances that can be made. So for right now, I view uh us as an objective way for people to come in at a reasonably priced, reasonable price to come in and get their baseline and do serial follow-ups. So it's great. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:12

Without a without a uh a note from a doctor or without a without a note. That's freaking fantastic, man. That's the future, I think. Right. And people can go make their own choices and do that. I think that's great. We when you're doing the secret shopper thing, I'm gonna get back to that because I find that so fascinating. Is there something or a clinic you've been to, Netherlands, London, Shanghai, where you're like, we need that? We're gonna bring that to the United States.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Oh, yes. So uh everywhere I go, almost everywhere, I guess, um, I'll find something that's unique and then I'll want to bring it back to uh what we're doing. So the way we do even our whole bodies now, that's over uh over 20 years of refinement, the way we iterate and do our whole body imaging. Because again, we started over 20 years ago. I went to uh Essen Germany

MRI And CT Spark An Outpatient Revolution

SPEAKER_02 18:55

and we took a protocol from there. We had a custom-made insert for a cardiac MRI just to finish that story so we could image someone within less than an hour. Because 20 years ago, to do whole body imaging, no one thought it was possible.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Oh, so you're going there going, I want that piece of that piece that's in that machine, and I'm bringing it over here.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah, we had it made, got it through, brought it to the U.S. So we've done that for years.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

Like, okay, well, let's go with the secret shopper thing where you're like, I'll do something. It's different. So if it's a scientific visit, like then you let them know. Then I'll let them know. And usually people that it's not always the case, but hopefully someone who wants to help people, you know, in healthcare, they want to spread good technology. Right. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Um, the funniest story with that though is even when the first clinic is Siemens made the equipment. And I said, I want to buy this cardiac MRI. It's like, no, Dr. Simon, it's way too expensive. You you don't we don't have those in outpatient, those are in like big universities. Why would you want that? That's what we need. So sometimes people don't understand, even the manufacturers, what they have or what you can do with equipment. So we bought it. So we bought it. So we've always focused on the advanced technology. So recently, if you'd come to my office, so my office is unconventional, it's a conference room. I built because for me, it should be collaborative. I don't need my office for myself. I work for years like in a little tiny cubicle.

SPEAKER_03 20:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

But my conference room has all kinds of new equipment. Because for our new uh kind of lower priced exam that's more complete, I've been testing equipment from our lap my last travels to put together all kinds of uh good things. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Is there anything that you saw when you were a secret shopper that you tried to get here to the United States, but you can't because it's not approved here yet?

SPEAKER_02 20:29

There is a problem with that. So there's some items that I wanted to get even for research. So we actually do quite a few research protocols as well. We don't do it for the day-to-day whole body, but we do a lot of research MRI sequences and research protocols with new equipment. So we have a dedicated research on, we don't talk about it. I mean, it's more academic, but we have a full-time PhD that runs the program. So we're always testing new sequences that are not quite ready to bring in clinically. So there is some equipment, and it's hard to get some equipment from overseas now for sure, versus a few years ago. Because it's not legal here yet? It's not a matter of legal, it's just because we'll do it under a research agreement. And some of these equipment, for instance, is approved in Europe. So it's safe equipment, but we'll do it under a research agreement.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

You haven't got specific with me yet. You haven't said, I went to Shanghai and they got this thing where they take the blood from a frog and they put it in your in your heart, and my God, you turn into Captain America.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

Like, no, no. So, in terms of the treatments, I haven't taken advantage. I think I need to work a little, spend a little bit less time on just the diagnostic, enjoy the trip a little bit more, right? Right, right. And stay an extra couple days and see the treatments. I agree, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 21:35

So I'm halfway there. So I met a guy, um, and he, I'll never forget this guy. He was telling me about stem cells, and he went to Germany and did a I think somewhere in Berlin, and he and he went to the stem cell clinic. I'm gonna say this is 10 years ago. Uh he's a very wealthy guy, and he told me that it changed his life. That he bought the clinic. Wow, he bought the clinic and he invited me to go with him to go. Was like, this is fantastic. I can't wait. Anti-aging, found of youth. Uh, and then it turned out at the last minute, something happened to Germany, and they became illegal, and they had to close a clinic, right? So then I started because of that little nugget, I was like, I need to track down stem cells. And I found a clinic that I completely trusted, believed in. I've gone there now 10 times. There, there's one, they have one in Cancun, they just opened one in Cabo. So I get these stem cells from them. And I just got I was just there two weeks ago. The mesenchymal stem cells from an umbilical cord of a newborn, right? So I got 200 million of them put in me. Wow. I don't know if they're doing anything. I can't tell, but I'm hoping that they're just fixing things that I don't know about. But then I go, so I get my MR heis from Simon Med. I freaking did the whole body one. I freaking loved the whole experience. Your crew's fantastic. It was awesome. So I have a little bit of a heart issue. My dad died of a heart attack in 66. So I've been obsessed with reversing the heart damage that I have. And and then I had a little prostate issue. And I started doing NK cells. Have you heard of the NK cells, natural killer cells? Right. So I did two billion of those. And I think that at this moment, I have reversed because of the I I got your MRI. I've had four different clinics look at it. And all four have told me that it essentially reversed the prostate issue that I had. I wouldn't have found that out if it wasn't for you guys. But I did the NK cells. I got diagnosed in October, NK cells in January, MRI about a month ago. Clean. Isn't that weird? Or isn't that great?

SPEAKER_02 23:34

No, that's great. You actually are very proactive. Oh, totally. There's so much you can do now, and it's bonkers. It is me, but and you're doing all this stuff.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

You need, I need to go with you. I need to tell you, you're going to Shanghai, Doc. Here's what you're gonna do. You're gonna do this, this, this, this, this, and report back to it.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

John Jay is getting an MRI total body longevity scan. It'll scan from basically his head all the way down to mid-thigh.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

My father died at the age of 66 of a massive heart attack. My mother died at the age of 66 with uh glioblastoma. Here I am a dad of free young boys. Very really young. So I've been obsessed with my health pretty much ever since. I'm really excited about the full body scan. I'm excited about the heart scan, but I'm also excited about the full body scan to make sure there's nothing up here. It'd be great to be tumor-free. So I'm really excited to get those results. I feel pretty good about that.

SPEAKER_00 24:26

The whole process takes about an hour from start to finish. It's a very easy, painless procedure. Just have to lay there quietly and try to be as still as possible.

SPEAKER_01 24:35

And I always feel at ease when I come to Simon Med. It's like family here.

SPEAKER_02 24:42

So so I can tell you one thing that we're working on. And this was uh relating to trips to in both in the US and overseas, including Paris. Uh so in terms of cognition, as you get older, you um most people have a decrease in processing speed. Everyone thinks of memory, your memory deteriorates, and that's that's kind of a known fact with age, uh, variable from one person to another. But your overall processing speed, kind of the central clock in your brain, can slow with aging, even in your 40s and beyond. Right. So I've been interested to see what you can do to reverse it or improve it. Yeah, yeah. So one thing I've been looking at, and again, this is still research in early, is uh trans uh it's called TMS, where you do electrical stimulation. You put a device in the outside of the brain and you stimulate. And what you try to do is try to reset the brainwave pattern to increase your processing speed. That's what I'm talking about. And so it's really cool. So we have a lab we're being is being built that'll be in uh Scottsdale that will have the most advanced equipment you can find anywhere in the world. Have you already tried it?

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Is it in your conference room?

SPEAKER_02 25:45

It's not this one's not in my conference room. I have the device, but we have uh IRBs that we're writing. We're having special equipment that we're that we're bringing in that we have to write the IRBs for. But what's interesting with this is this all has started to really bubble up in the last few years because it works. It works in depression, it works for anxiety, it can work for OCD. So it like shocks the brain. But it does it gently. So the difference is like uh what you're thinking of, I think, is like the electrical shock therapy, which they use for depression, which is really a sharp shock. Imagine something more gentle that synchronizes with the brain and gently over a series of treatments. That's the question. Gently, you try to get the brain stimulated to kind of retrain it, like you're retraining a muscle. You retrain the brain to operate a more quickly. Okay. So the rationale behind it makes sense. The tools to do it are just becoming available. The the importance of it, traveling to multiple places is a lot of people

Longevity Clinics And Secret Shopper Lessons

SPEAKER_02 26:40

are using the technology blindly. They just stick it on a certain area of the brain without precision. But the beauty of kind of my background with the interventional and all that is you get better results typically if you know where you're you're treating. And so what's happening with this is we have the TMS coming. We're gonna be able to do it even in the MR scanner, real time.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Oh, while you're in the scanner getting MRI, you'll be able to see if it how it's impacting.

SPEAKER_02 27:03

And then we have another component coming called it's basically called Laifu. It's low intensity focused ultrasound. So you can take an ultrasound and actually get it to tickle or kind of stimulate the brain cells deep in the brain. So the TMS is used superficially, the ultrasound is used deep. But the be the beauty of being familiar with imaging is you match up the imaging with the ultrasound so you can do deep areas in the brain to try to. So you basically now we have the ability to work it with the whole brain to try to improve cognition. So right now, the a lot of the work has been on depression and uh post-traumatic stress, even. But the area that I've been interested in, and you can probably you'll probably laugh, seeing me at the meetings, you know, 99 people are there for depression. I'm raising my hand about cognition because people don't view it as urgent. But actually, I think it's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

I do, that's why I chug fish oil. I'm trying to do everything again to get um uh creatine, trying everything to like reverse the aging in my brain.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Exactly. So that's my thought too, is that if you if you don't have your cognition and your mental wellness, you really suffer for for the rest. But we shouldn't accept that we're gonna just deteriorate. And if you go to a uh if you talk to the regular medical community, they may say, well, that's normal, but that's not normal. That's not what I was like when I was a 30-year-old. I don't want to be like a 60-year-old with decreased cognition, decreased memory, and all that. So I want to preserve that. I want to have that longevity.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

You know those um pemph mats or pemph P-E-M-F, what are they? The pulse electronic magnetic something. You ever heard of those things? It's like you lay on it and it shocks you. Uh and they have different versions of it. Um, I got one of those one time and I was like uh uh trying it and I was like, I I was kind of doing what you're talking about, but the wrong way. I was like, I bet you if I could shock my brain, I can reverse. So I put these things on my head and it hurt like hell. But I was like, you you were doing that. I was thinking that I could reverse it. It hurt like hell, but I want something like that. When you get it, when you put it at Simon Ed, if it's not the MRI, how long do you think the the procedure would take for somebody?

SPEAKER_02 29:09

So our goal, and we're gonna have also in Beverly Hills, we have a clinic in Beverly Hills, we have a psychiatrist who's gonna lead the program there. Um, our goal is instead of doing a series of treatments over weeks, our goal is within one day. You go there, you get a you get a treatment, it may be several treatments. Sometimes you do a treatment for 10 minutes, you let the brain recover for 50 minutes, five zero, you do it again. You may do that several times a day. And the goal is to get to a protocol of once a month because that's something that's tolerable, because it can be uncomfortable if you turn up the power too much. And you want a good result, but you also want an exam where or a procedure that someone will want to do. So we think that's gonna be the most likely approach, is something that you come gentle approach, and you do it every kind of a baseline, and then you do it as a follow-up. How many salmon meds are there? There's about 190 offices now all over the country, all over the country.

SPEAKER_01 30:02

And you started right here?

SPEAKER_02 30:04

Just here. Where was the first one here? Where was it? It was in Scottsdale.

SPEAKER_01 30:07

Where? Like what street?

SPEAKER_02 30:08

Oh, on Mountain View. Is it still there? It's still there. It's grown over the years. It's got add-ons here and there. So it's not the most elegantly laid out center, but it's got a lot of technology.

SPEAKER_01 30:18

Isn't that wild? Do you ever like think back and kind of go, whoa, this is crazy?

SPEAKER_02 30:21

I mean, it was just, I've just been fortunate, fortunate for the medical community who was willing to accept new technology for in the patient community. And we're fortunate we're in a growing city so that you can introduce new technology and there's new doctors and new thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 30:34

So it was just like Simon Med, like uh, you know, like it's almost there was a point where there's an area of town where it's almost like Starbucks. There's a Simon Med and then there's another one across the street. I think the one on Thomas. Is it on Thomas?

SPEAKER_02 30:45

Uh yeah, there's Thomas.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

But you got like one here and one here.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

You know, it's funny. When I opened my old group, uh came and said you're gonna have to move out of town. And I'm like, haven't you seen all the new technology? Everything? This is a growing city. I'm gonna move out of town. No. So we've been fortunate enough, and that just redoubled my effort to make kind of new technology available, and we would be successful because people would, you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

You're a different dude, man.

SPEAKER_02 31:13

Yeah, no, I'm determined. Do you have kids? Three kids. Boys, girls. Uh, we have uh uh one boy and two girls.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

Are they in this field as well?

SPEAKER_02 31:21

So it's interesting. None of them went into medicine, one went into business, one works with me in the regulatory side, does a lot of things, very curious, and then one's a healthcare attorney. So related kind of areas, but not directly.

SPEAKER_01 31:33

And they all grew up here? All grew up here, yeah. Where'd they go to school?

SPEAKER_02 31:36

They went to All Saints and then they went to different places for high school. Which high schools? So they went um um one of them, actually, two of them went to Phoenix Country Day, and then actually the third one, she was always very independent. So she's she actually went to boarding school, Episcopal boarding school uh uh in New Hampshire. But she went out. She went out, and you know, I have to say, this is one child that loves cold, loves four seasons, does not like warm weather in Phoenix. She's the youngest, oldest? She's the oldest, and so she's just a she's a handful. She would say that.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

I mean she's the youngest is a handful.

SPEAKER_02 32:14

Yeah, usually no, she's sweet and easy. The oldest is a handful, very determined, um, very independent. She'll travel the world by herself. So every great, you know, it's interesting. Each child, I mean, every I'm sure it's different for every family, but it's amazing how different personalities each child can be.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

So let me let's just say you want to uh to get away from the medical world. I just want to get into you, Dr. Simon. Sure. What TV shows do you watch?

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Oh God, that's a good that's a good question. So I mix it. The problem is uh what I did in the past, and what do you do with AI?

SPEAKER_01 32:41

No, forget it. Like right now, you're going home, you turn on TV. What do you want to do?

SPEAKER_02 32:44

That's what I'm saying. A lot of my TV time is the AI agents because I'm having them research different things. I get an idea and I said, one, give me a world, you know, I'm I'm serious about this. Give me a review, the world literature on this or the places to go. And then I get the other one.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

I literally have three or four working at the So you're not turning on TV and watching the number one show on Netflix. You're not watching Reacher on Prime.

SPEAKER_02 33:03

Oh, Reacher. No, no, I I like I like my shows too. So I'll do Netflix or I'll do Amazon. That's what I'll do. And so I'll do that. You're watching Reacher? Yeah, I'll do a Reacher. I'll do it but not the newest series.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

No, no, not normal. No, no, normal.

SPEAKER_02 33:15

So I'll do the there's the new female one, which I don't have yet. And then, but I'll do that. Which one don't you have? You don't have what? I I know the Reacher series, but there's a new one that's like number one radio. Yeah, I'm watching it right now.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Yeah, I'm on episode three. It's really good. Yeah, it's not like it's not as good as Reacher. Reacher's in the first episode. Yeah, Reacher's. I just wanted to note uh I like to see like the human side of you. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because you're so freaking smart.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

No, no, I like the series, so I'll do that. I like sci-fi, but I'll do romantic comedies, I'll do uh I'll do action shows. So I like that.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

But now that you're like you're so you're not retired, you're still actively involved with your wife being retired.

SPEAKER_02 33:45

What does she do when you're you know, she does community things, she does things with the kids. We have four grandkids now, she'll do that. I mean, my perspective is different. My father's 105. What?

Measuring Muscle Power For Aging

SPEAKER_02 33:56

And so, yeah, so he's in Kansas City still? No, he well, he's in Louisville now, where my sister's located, but no, so he and I was his brain function. I would say up to he slowed down a little bit in the last few years, but if you called him when he was 102, you'd think you would be talking to a 50-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

So what were the secrets? What why is he like what is it? Is it genetics? Is it what?

SPEAKER_02 34:17

You know, he I don't think he particularly, you know, watched his diet. The food was different back then. I think the food was different. He didn't eat much. He worked though. I mean, if you talk about stress, I mean he was a general surgeon. I mean, he would work all night and work during the day and never bothered him. So he just had that, he had that robustness in the gene that for whatever reason he has it. And uh, you know, my only hope is I can have it. But if I do have that, then when I view my age, I'm I'm resetting myself 20 years back and hoping that I have that longevity.

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Have you MRI'd yourself, full body MRI yourself?

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah, I've done that. No, nothing, no major issues. Um, and I strongly believe in it. You know, yeah. Make sure.

SPEAKER_01 34:55

But so what about your health? Like what's your routine? Do you exercise, do you do longevity stuff? Do you anti-aging? Do you eat certain things? Do you have to do olive oil shots at night?

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Do you think that's so so I've gone through the whole spectrum, which I hopefully folks will appreciate different things. So I am careful about the diet. I have terrible sweet tooth. In the last year, I've just put my foot down to myself and said, enough of the sugar.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

So I eat a little bit, uh, I do a half a brownie a day. It's alcoholic. Half a brownie, what brand or from the just uh where the our office is, there's a bakery downstairs. So, and whenever I go travel, I'll do a chocolate chip cookie or a brownie.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

So you're legit sugar tooth. Oh, yeah. No, so you cut the brownie half and eat it right there and then eat the other half tomorrow, or just give it to the that's my discipline.

SPEAKER_02 35:36

Well, okay. But otherwise I could go through a whole stack of whatever. So, but no, I'm careful on the diet now. Exercise, I try to travel a lot's hard, but I'll try to do aerobic and resistive training. And now that with Matt, I'm changed out what I'm doing a little bit, I'm doing a little bit less heavy weight and trying to work on power more. So I'm halfway through that transformation. So I'll do that. Um, I was doing one thing I picked up, I went to Munich and looked at uh yeah, EEG training, uh biofeedback. That's one of the trips I did. So do biofeedback with EG. And the I do it remotely. So they're in Munich, and uh I'm local, but I have the whole kit set up to do EG. So that's a way kind of for mind and concentration. So I'll do that. And um, let's see what else. Hike, try to do outdoor stuff. What are you hiking? Hike. So I'll where do you hike? Oh, I'll just do camelback. Oh, oh, you actually will hike echo or or uh you know I like you know, it's funny. When I was younger, I would say only echo. Yeah, that's hard. That's hard. No, yeah, and but Thoya, the parking's easier. Yeah, and you and it's just more gentle. So I've gotten lazy. So you'll just go up and down. I mean, that's a great hike.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Yeah, that's a great hike. And that's a workout for you?

SPEAKER_02 36:46

I think that's good because it keeps uh balance.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

You can kind of balance that's another thing I keep finding out about how important balance is and and mobility. I try to do a lot of mobility stuff with my hips and stuff, because you know, you just you just never know. I think that's when people, if you trip and you can recover quickly, the ones that don't recover are the ones that break a hip, go to the hospital, then die. Oh, yeah, for sure. Especially when you're older.

SPEAKER_02 37:07

It's it's funny. I was researching, uh, and it's expensive, so I'll admit that. Um, so I have some Kaiser. I after meeting with Matt, I change, I have a gym at home, and I change, and I'm in the process of transforming it. So again, this is not something everyone can afford. So I appreciate that. But I always like to test Kaiser. The air. So I put a few pieces in. I'm gonna order the hip. I've been researching the hip. Oh, okay, the standing hip. I don't I don't know if it's good or not, but I've researched and I've triangulated that that's what I need to for balance.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

That Kaiser's equipment is legit. It's it's hard, right? Yes, I've tried when you try to do the bench press thing, it's it's like, right? You gotta balance everything. Oh, yeah, with the cylinders.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

I mean, I remember in med school, I would work out and I'd drive someplace from the south side to somewhere downtown, and they had Kaiser, but I didn't really appreciate the time. So I was thinking it's the same thing. But the Kaiser pieces that came, beautiful though. They've refined it. So it's really smooth. And then I'm gonna try some bio strength, the techno gym, because I want to see what the experience is. So I'm trying to change the resistive training I'm doing, but I don't feel good unless I try to work out sometime. So I'll get up early.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

I agree. I agree with that. I do it every day. Every every I do a key thing. Three o'clock, four o'clock in the morning. Yeah. Is there one thing if you were uh getting an MRI, a full body MRI, is there one thing you look at to tell that? And I don't know if there's an answer for this. Like this person is good. Like, is there a marker for longevity? Oh, we talked about grip strength, but is there something else?

SPEAKER_02 38:33

So there is so there is, and it's evolving as I've been to different places and see what they do. So the brain. Um I look at the white matter and the connections. The the central part of the brain, there's an area where you can see exquisitely on the MRIs, you know, what the health is of those white matter connections. And you see areas that are abnormal, and people to this day will excuse them, you know, incidental findings. That's one of the biggest beeps I have overall is people say, well, it's an incidental finding. It's not incidental. It may not be significant, but it's not incidental. So I look for the brain itself and the brain health and look at those interconnected fibers and see if there's changes within there. Well, that's one of the first things I look at for brain health. The good news is that if you do have those changes, you go immediately, right? Common things, hypertension, have to put folks in the US hypertensive, untreated. They may not feel it, but the brain feels it because the brain's very sensitive to that increased pressure. So you know you can treat that. The other area is pre-diabetic. So many people are pre-diabetic, maybe it doesn't feel like it matters. You'll feel better if you're if you're if you're if your metabolism is proper, but you're not seeing your brains getting damaged. So look at brain, that's number one. Um other things. We can look at liver, liver health immediately. See, yeah, almost it's interesting. We did a research study, we had a new technology with ultrasound that actually gives a measurement of liver fat. Um the top line, the best ultrasound that Siemens makes is the only machine in the world right now that's FDA approved to measure exactly liver fat, which is common, fatty liver, which leads to fibrosis and poor health. We look at that on MRI as well. So that's an area we look at. We have a new sequence that we're developing based on FDA-approved technology, but repurposing it to look at muscle health. So the theory is that I'm gonna try to see if we can see loss of type two fibers differentially versus type one based on MRI, which no one has been able to do at scale. And our goal is to be able to do that, and then we can tell someone your resistive training is great for maybe you know bulk and strength, but you need to work on that power in the type two. So that's a project that's gonna be in the work. Uh I'll work with Matt on it.

SPEAKER_01 40:41

Do you think there'll be something uh to help ever reduce heart stuff, calcium?

SPEAKER_02 40:47

So yes, so I can tell you the heart was the next step. So there's two things about heart which are there's more than two things. But we have a research, we have a uh we did a co-development agreement with a group out of McGill to look for narrowing of the coronary arteries on MRI. And what's fun is um when I was in the London uh clinic,

Faster Thinking With TMS Research

SPEAKER_02 41:10

um, they did that sequence on me. I knew it was a research sequence, but they did it like a FDA approved clinical. I knew it was research, but they were doing it i clinical. So sometimes overseas things are done a little differently. But the fact is, um, you hold your breath for a minute, which is possible. You hyperventilate for a minute and you can hold your breath for a minute, and you image the heart, and you can see areas with this software, you can see areas of a coronary artery narrowing non-invasively, no injection. So that's going through FDA now. We hope to get it next year and be able to offer it. So that's one thing.

SPEAKER_01 41:41

But then how do you reverse any damage? Like, have you heard of? I started doing this thing called plaque X. It's an IV medicine. I've I I've done it, I it's kind of experimental, but um the scientists told me about it. And it's supposed to, they say, reverse plaque, which I think is almost impossible to do. But it's a 10-week IV, two IVs a week for 10 weeks. You have to treat it like chemo. I've done it twice.

SPEAKER_02 42:01

So so what I would say is I think plaque can be reversed. And the way we would document it is with the CT angiogram or you CT scanner right now. You inject contrast. Yeah, you inject contrast though, and then you use an AI program because you can't visually see the little fine changes in the plaque. But we already know that you can reverse plaque with some medicines for some people. So there's gonna be ways to reverse it.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Is it like produlant? You ever heard of that?

SPEAKER_02 42:27

There's I mean, there's so many repatha is one. But there's a lot of different medicines, but no one a lot of folks are not thinking that way that you can reverse first of all, you want to stop it. So you want to get a 30-year-old, you want to do a baseline and say we're gonna treat you aggressively, and you're not gonna get it. But the fact is, most people have plaque now, 85%, 90%. So you want to reverse it. But most people aren't thinking that way. They're thinking, well, I want to get you by for the next five years, but that's not good enough. A million people are still dying. Way too too, way not aggressive enough. I get I mean, we're not aggressive enough or proactive enough to do it. But yes, so it's definitely but there's another area of the heart which is really interesting. Okay, so I know I get excited on this. So the one of the most conventional ways that um people look at the function of the heart is called an ejection fraction, how much it squashes down, right? And so people 45 to 70 will tell you what your ejection fraction is. And that tells you basically how much out of the left side of your heart you squeeze out in uh one heartbeat.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Like what's a good number?

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Well, good numbers, let's say over 60.

SPEAKER_01 43:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 43:38

But the problem is if you feel your pulse, right? Your heart contracts, you feel the pulse wave go down, and then it relaxes. So it's an up and down peaks and valleys. So organs like the brain don't function quite like a peak and valley. They actually get a smoothed out uh blood flow. So when the blood exits the heart, It's smoothed out by the time it gets to the brain. Can you imagine if your brain just saw a big burst of blood and then dropped back and forth? It would not be good. Kidneys, it's not good. But beyond that, the way the heart contracts, it's a muscle. So it doesn't contract just like a, let's say, a piston in a car. It has a very exquisite motion where it twists and turns to push the blood out in a certain orderly way. So it's not like just off and on, it's very complex. So there's something called cardiac strain where you actually see the motion of the heart. And it's a very complex 3D motion. And this is what folks don't consider is that as you age, if you get sick with chemo, if you have other health problems, the way the heart contracts is not normal. So your ejection fractions may still look normal, but the way it's actually contracting is abnormal. And so that's why a significant number of people, for instance, that have heart failure have a normal ejection fraction. But the way the muscle is working is wrong. And that's the problem with chemo, is the way old way of looking at it is your ejection fraction is normal, but the way the heart is contracting is wrong. And if you want longevity, you don't want to have heart failure when you're you don't want to have heart failure because you don't we're talked about brain and proof preservation.

SPEAKER_01 45:19

But how do you get the heart to go back to working the right way?

SPEAKER_02 45:21

Well, I think that's a good that's a great question. I think what we're focused on first is to reset the standard. So when you do a wellness exam, you don't do ejection fraction. We also can do with cardiac MRI strain.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

So you can make sure it's going the right way.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

It's going the right way. And one of the first sites before I opened the first clinic over 20 years ago was a cardiac MRI center. I wanted to get trained in cardiac MRI. I stayed there about three weeks. So that's not a year's training or two years, but enough that's familiar. And then more recently, we brought in experts. So I don't pretend to be an expert in any area, but I try to be knowledgeable enough to ask questions.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:57

Not necessarily all the questions.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

How important is the calcium score?

SPEAKER_02 46:00

Does it really so the calcium score is interesting? Um it's helpful, but the problem is one first of all, the calcified plaque is not what kills you. It's the non-calcifide, which you can't see. Secondly, you get calcium places. Is that the soft plaque? The soft plaque. Okay. And the problem is um you get calcified plaque as you age typically. Um, so it's this later indicator. So the problem is in the younger age group where you want to stop the plaque, you're not seeing the soft plaque. So it's not, it gives a false sense of security. There's so many people that I've seen that have a calcium score and say I have zero. The fact is, one out of five people can drop dead with the zero calcium score because it's the soft plaque that kills you anyway. And the other four fifths, the majority of them have significant plaque that's soft plaque, they don't know that they're choosing to believe is not significant. And so it's often misused. It's a helpful study.

Heart Plaque, Calcium Scores, And Reality

SPEAKER_02 46:55

But that you can have a high calcium score, but it's hard already. Hard already.

SPEAKER_01 46:59

And you could be fine.

SPEAKER_02 47:00

Usually when you get really high, it's a problem. What do you call really high? Well, I mean, we've seen it over a thousand. Right. But usually when you have a significant calcium score, you probably have a lot of disease going on.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

And the thing we know about atherosclic disease, there's a recent paper out this that just re-emphasized it, and this really goes along with doing whole body imaging, is athrosclic disease or heart disease is not just your heart. It's in your kidneys, it's in your legs, it's in your carotids, in your brain. So you may have it better and or worse in one area and worse in another. So if I see a CT scan and there's plaque in the aorta, that patient probably has coron heart disease to a certain degree, has it in the legs. So when you have a positive calcium score, your your you know, red alert goes up that there's disease probably throughout this body. Wow. And we need to start looking at it. What can we do to optimize legs? Let's test the legs, see what we can do. We'll make sure the feet, there's no problems with core circulation.

SPEAKER_01 47:57

Like you would say, hey, uh, how do you you would have symptoms of those things probably?

SPEAKER_02 48:01

Yeah, you wouldn't want to scare them. Right. So I don't mean to alarm anyone that has a high score.

SPEAKER_01 48:05

It's okay. If someone's watching this and they go get it tested, go to SimonMed.com.

SPEAKER_02 48:08

Yeah. And the thing is, there's there's treatments, like you said, diet. There's new, there's new treatments out there, um, medications. And I think it's so important to be proactive. You don't want to die of a stroke, you don't want to die of heart disease, you don't want to die of prostate cancer if you can avoid it, right? And the thing is there's preventive studies for all these, and there's treatments for most of them.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

That's why you need to go get a full body. I have sent so far, I think, four of my buddies to your place since I got my my uh full body uh MRI, because I think it's incredible.

SPEAKER_02 48:38

It's incredible. And the the fact is, there's no necessarily age group that's the best. Right. I mean, we've had young people pick up tumors.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Right. And is there a patient in your history of being a doctor, like maybe 20 years ago, 30 years ago, that every once in a while you think about them and go, dang, I was sad, or something like that?

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Or is it there's been Oh no, I mean it's sad all the time.

SPEAKER_01 49:05

But there's one that like sticks out, like you know, like in my radio career, I've gone to visit kids in the hospital and visit, you know, done that kind of thing. And every once in a while, I mean there's like one, two or three kids in my that just I think about quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 49:18

Yeah, I mean I see a lot of different patients, so there's more than one. I mean, there's different s stories that just stick with you. I I remember a lot of them, so I don't mean to say I don't remember. I remember them unfortunate, I it's unfortunate. But the the ones that stick out are the just preventable.

SPEAKER_01 49:40

Oh, that's suffering.

SPEAKER_02 49:41

Yeah, yeah. I mean, we were on a trip recently, and we're we traveled with a widow of a friend of ours, and he died of prostate cancer. And it shouldn't happen. There's no reason to happen. Right. And but this someone had moved away, so it kind of lost contact, otherwise, he would have been in screening and things like that. But someone who's not that old, worked hard all his life and just had retired and then went through suffering. And the thing that bothers me is people shouldn't have to suffer on a lot of these conditions, and it's just not right. Um so there's a lot of different examples. Worst, worst kind of disturbing was in med school a patient with what's called a locked-in syndrome. Locked in? And that's when you have a stroke in the midbrain or base part of the brain, and you can't communicate with anyone. So talk about a nightmare con condition that you would get and you'd have to suffer. The suffering involved with that would just be tremendous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

You know, when you talk about uh heart disease. So I uh you know, my dad died of a heart attack, and I got the calcium score, and I'm doing everything I can to be as healthy as possible. And there's a there is a a downside, not I don't know if it's a downside, but I've done so many things, right? From sauna, cold plunge, plaque X, stem cells, cardio, uh uh you know, uh testosterone, freaking NAD plus peptides. I do everything and I was able to stop plaque progression, which my doctor was so happy. But the problem is I don't know which thing worked. So I have to continue doing them all. Do them all, or just have to uh if I stop doing one, all of a sudden the next one. That's a tough one. I can't, I don't have an easy answer for the other one. I was just like, my God. And she she was like, uh, do you know Dr. Bordinko? I've heard of her, but she has a place called Benaza. She's oh yeah, I've heard yes, they got hyperbaric chambers up. She's great. She's like, Well, she goes, You can either continue to do what you're doing, or we try to do some stuff and figure out what's working, what's not. I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

So I I have to say, I'm in that camp. I'll do multiple different things, I'll just keep doing them. You gotta keep doing them. Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

I hey that was really cool that you came into my podcast. You know, I know you're a busy dude, and I I love the way you speak. Yeah, you know, you have such a great vocabulary.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

No, no, that's very kind of you, and and I really appreciate the opportunity to to come and uh be on the show, and it really means a lot to me. And it I think it'll help a lot of if it helps a lot of uh people.

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SPEAKER_01 52:05

So let's go as well. Simonmed.com, right, is a website to go get the full bodies MRIs. But you're not, are you personally on Instagram or social media?

SPEAKER_02 52:12

So I've gotten help in the last couple of years to be more with it. So I'm trying to get out there more often because we can have the greatest technology, we can try to make it you know affordable.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

Yeah, but not work-related, personal.

SPEAKER_02 52:24

Oh, personal. In terms of uh, that's a good question. Uh no, not on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 52:30

But your kids are.

SPEAKER_02 52:31

Kids are, and I always want to be technologically relevant, right? So that's probably an area that I need to be more relevant on, is is to get on my love, wife loves Instagram and does all she does?

SPEAKER_01 52:42

Yeah, she does it. That's good. That's interesting. Well, thank you for being on our podcast, Doctor.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

No, thank you again so much for the opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

Thank you, John. Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.