THE TRADER WHO BOUGHT HIS WAY BACK TO HEALTH

Welcome And Quick Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. Okay, Brian. Brian, uh, I've known you for a couple years, Don't be fascinated with your whole life and everything. What would you call yourself? Because I we've interviewed scientists, doctors, but what are you? Because actually, real quick, out of all the people I've interviewed, you know so much about this field of longevity, anti-aging, and looking beautiful. And fashion, by the way, you always look sharp. Thank you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

I rented the suit just for you. Thank you. Uh even though I said that the microphone felt kind of tight. I didn't know I had taken enough Redatrutide to fit in here.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Are you taking Redatrutide?

SPEAKER_03 0:55

I just I just started uh a few months ago. I always I always like to try everything first.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Okay, wait, that's what I'm talking about. You're like a human guinea pig for everything. Since we brought up after after Dr.

SPEAKER_03 1:04

Gonzalez, we interviewed last week.

SPEAKER_00 1:05

Let's start with red Retta, they call it Reddit. Yeah, Retta. That is a GLP3.

SPEAKER_03 1:09

Yeah. Well, it's yeah, it's basically a triple hormone mechanism. So kind of like we saw with when Viagra first came out, then you had Cialis for six minute abs and then five minute abs.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

So, really, you know, when you see some aglutide, it was GLP1. So then you had terzepatite, which was had a second uh hormone pathway, which is GIP. And now you have uh Reta truti, which has the triple agonist, glucagon being the third. So when you have a triple hormone mechanism, the more pathways, the logic is more metabolic activity. And what's most exciting about RETA is that that glucagon pathway actually is not about just about hunger suppression, but it's about building up more energy, right? Or or being able to convert uh and minimize that metabolic uh or the muscle loss, right? Because the biggest issue everyone gets is oh, you get skinny fat, right? So if you're able, if you think of glucagon is the metabolic opposite of insulin. Insulin stores energy and glucagon helps to release energy or fat. So if you're actually burning more fat, your goal is not to lose a number off the scale. Your goal is to lose that number off the scale as long as more of it is fat and you're able to convert to more to muscle.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Specifically visceral fat.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Oh, 100%. Right. Visceral fat is you know extremely dangerous. Uh, it's kind of like a silent killer that you're you don't see. So we always like to measure. That's one of the reasons we like another peptide called Tesamorlin, which is a growth hormone secretagog that helps you optimize your IGF one, but it's really good at targeting visceral fat, uh, which we feel is way more dangerous than just that instantaneous.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

But wait, I'm gonna stick on, I'm gonna stay on with Reddit real quick. So you've been on it for how long?

SPEAKER_03 2:45

I've been on it for three months now.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Three months, and how much do you take?

SPEAKER_03 2:48

So I'm right now I'm doing the dose, and this is a key thing because I everyone's wants to get right into what are you taking or how much are you taking. It's so important that medicine, we're really practicing precision medicine. What I'm taking and what you need to take and what anyone else is all different.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Sure, but it's but but it you can compare. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 3:08

But but I I want to caveat that because it's so important to do this under medical supervision.

SPEAKER_00 3:12

So I'll tell you right now, I'm on week three of Reddit.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Yeah, and you and you, and how are you feeling?

SPEAKER_00 3:16

I I don't that's what I want to get into with you because I don't know if it's working, if it's not working, but I think it is working.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

Yeah, but I can I usually can tell when something's working when people say I'm I'm at 198 pounds right now, and more importantly, again, than the number on the scale, my uh my BMI has gone down, and my skeletal muscle mass, you you want to target roughly 50% of your body weight being skeletal muscle mass. So, of course, I'm not just taking the peptide and hoping for miracles, right? So, yes, I'm taking the peptide in addition to other other stacks. In fact, I brought some show and tell here for you today. Um, but what's important is that you add, you know, you gotta make sure you're you're hydrating properly and you gotta make sure you're doing some muscle, ideally heavy lifting to help build that muscle.

SPEAKER_00 3:57

Well, you look a lot more fit than when I saw you last time.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

Yeah, so so and that's and that's the idea, right? Good. Uh is more toned, right?

SPEAKER_00 4:08

And right, you do, you look, you look fit. So, but so how much what are you taking? How much red out?

SPEAKER_03 4:12

So, right now on the on the red, I'm taking uh five fifty units, which is about I think it's about three and a half milligrams every two weeks. So it's not a big dose.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Every two weeks. So you don't do it once a week.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

You know, I'm not I'm only doing it every again. I'm not looking, I wasn't looking at it to lose weight. Right. I was looking just to curb that you know, that anxiety eating, the late night eating, and with two little kids and not sleeping too well and traveling a lot, it's so difficult to fall back into bad habits.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

Yeah, with little kids too, you eat their snack, they're leftovers, you don't, yeah. So for does it work for you?

SPEAKER_03 4:44

I think it does work for me. Like I said, I've again I wasn't trying to lose the weight, but in the three months that I've been on it, I've really seen, and you and you touched on it, a body composition shift. And that's and that's what I'm very happy about. And I've seen more of this happen with RETA than I did previously with Terzepatite. Uh now, importantly, you know, RETA still is still in clinical trials, right? So it's not, it hasn't been FDA approved yet. Um, but what we're seeing early on as we're doing these research cases, it's extremely promising. You're looking at about an average of twenty plus percent uh loss of of body weight. But again, more importantly, adding that glucagon component.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

But when does it kick in? I'm on week, I started week three today, and I'm kind of like, and I take I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Are you gonna scaling up the dosing?

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Here's here's the thing, and I I don't I'm not I'm gonna speak to you like a normal person because I don't so I I take the I mixed it, right? They told me how to mix it, then I put in eight little lines. So whatever that I take the little eight little lines I put it in. I heard that it could make you sick and nauseous. That didn't happen to me, but I also didn't feel like it suppressed my appetite. Right. Week two, I went nine little lines. Today I did 10 little with a full little thing, right? And I I tried today's the first day where before I came here, I tried to have some yogurt and berries, which I usually have before a podcast. I couldn't eat it all.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

It was kind of weird.

SPEAKER_03 6:03

That's what I was gonna ask you. Is this the first time you ever take any of these medications?

SPEAKER_00 6:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:07

Okay, so that's probably why it takes a little bit of a accumulation in the in the body to kind of really start to trigger that metabolic activity. So the fact you've never done this before and you're only on week three, that makes sense with what you're telling me. That you just are starting to feel the effects of it. I think it should only ramp up. So you gotta trust the protocol, give it time, and make sure you're doing all the other things in parallel.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

And probably stay on that same dose, do you think? Or go?

SPEAKER_03 6:30

I would defer to what your medical professional told you. There is no medical professional. This stuff's not FDA approved.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

I've got to go to the Right.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

But what I'm saying is it sounds like Buddy Pot the Peptide Company, you gotta meet him. It sounds like that you're scaling you up slowly. So I would stick to whatever that regimen that they gave you is. Um, and then and then let it go. I always tell people, give me three months, and if in three months, you're on three weeks. In three months, if you haven't seen a shift, and I always ask people two questions. I go, listen, if the answer to either of these questions is no, then I can't help you. And and the first one is, are you willing to make significant lifestyle changes? Okay, the answer better be yes to that. The second one is you realize this is a marathon and not a sprint. We have to measure distance traveled. And that is how we set the expectation.

Stem Cells Spark A Career Pivot

SPEAKER_00 7:17

So that's two questions. You said there were three. No, no, I said two questions. Okay. Wait, okay, so I'm gonna get back now. You we got sidetracked with Breta. Yeah. You how did you become this? What would you call yourself? A longevity expert? I mean, uh uh, you know, I uh Gary Brecker says he calls himself a human biologist. I think you're that.

SPEAKER_03 7:36

Well, listen, Gary's a dear friend, and I think he's done amazing work and a huge advocate. You know, we we work very closely with the ultimate human, but I think his, you know, his ability and his knowledge is is really next level. I think I'm just I I came into this business as a patient, or into this as a patient, and and a lot of thanks to Dr. Gonzalez, right? I I like to call him the Yoda of cell therapy. I mean, there's no one person that I'm more grateful for. He changed my life and not even knowing he would. So the way I got into this, and man, I was my background, nothing to do with medicine. I was a trader, I was in telecommunications. Uh started with a, you know, he wanted to do a test or a trial on a bunch of MMA fighters down in Mexico. He's like, hey, we want to do the stem cell study. And I was like, stem cells. I had no idea what a stem cell was. I said, but listen, I trust you, I'll do it. So I flew down to Mexico with a bunch of MMA fighters. We did a whole mess of blood work. He was testing for two.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Yeah, but what were you doing? Why would he come to you?

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Well, because he needed a control patient to see the difference between these high-intensity or you know, high performance athletes and myself who likes to play one on TV.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

So you were literally you were part of the experiment.

SPEAKER_03 8:47

I was part of the experiment. I was one of the control patients.

SPEAKER_00 8:48

Which knowing you now, you would loved.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

I loved.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 8:51

So I ate it up and not knowing what I was getting myself into. So the way we did the stem cell treatment back then, it was what's called anatologist treatment, which means it came from myself. So they they did a small procedure called the bone marrow aspera, where they took stem cells from my the back of my hip, and they call the posterior iliac crest, they spun it down, isolated the stem cells, and then they put it back into me.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

Painful, I believe, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:15

Well, they they knocked me out of about 15 minutes. I think they put me on the Michael Jackson medication for about 15 minutes. Um, so from there, I had that I had an IV done. And John G. I could tell you when I get out of that procedure, I was able to do a four-foot box jump. I just had all this energy. I I've never been able to duplicate the energy that I had from that first treatment uh ever, but it was just amazing, and it really got me going down the rabbit hole with stem cells, cell therapy, medicine. Uh, my dad was in pharmaceuticals for about 35 years. So I guess subconsciously I always had, you know, I was always hearing about medicine and doctors and medication. And um actually, I was a pre-med major, funny enough, for three years. And I said, I don't want to wait eight years to make money. I want to get into business, which is something that I've really enjoyed. And here I am, full circle, 25 years later. I'm starting, you know, regenerative medical practice, uh, focusing initially on what I thought was just cell therapy. And thanks again, like I said, to Raphael, because while that treatment was the first, it was a catalyst. So I just became a sponge to all this information. He was sending me tons of material, and I became I was eating it all up. Then about 18 months later, I asked him, Hey, does this stem cell stuff work on the knees? And he's like, Of course it does. And then I had my knee injected. Four months later, I was playing basketball again full court with guys significantly younger than me. And this was, by the way, this was 2012. So this was 14 years ago. I'm gonna be 50 now, and I'm still playing basketball full court with guys 20 years younger than me. And it's only because I've continued to do cell therapy in my knees to help me kind of offset those degenerative uh effects that we, you know, the wear and tear that happens with life. And as we get older, it accelerates.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

You don't look anywhere near 50 to me, by the way. Thank you. You don't. I'm not bullshitting you.

SPEAKER_03 11:05

It must be these good lights or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

No, dude, it must be your stem cells and probably everything else you got going on, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:10

And and again, it's you know, everybody in this day and age is looking for the Instagram, the quick fix. What can I do right now that's gonna give me that? And there is no one thing because we could sit here and do all the stem cells, all the NK cells in the world. But if you're not making, like I said earlier, these lifestyle changes and focusing on eating sleep, yeah, which you know about sleeping water.

SPEAKER_00 11:32

It's like everybody knows what you got to do. So if you're doing those things, I think these extra things are the out, these are the outlines red lights, sauna, you know, NKs, and we now have proof that look, we know that all aging starts at the cellular level, right?

SPEAKER_03 11:46

And and I think Dr. Gonzalez does a good job talking about senescence, right? So if the cell is cellularly inflamed, right? Think about cells having headphones on. And if they're not able to hear the signals, then you're not able to really, the treatment's not gonna work well. So we're really big on identifying root cause, like kind of like some of the things you've been trying to do with eliminating toxins from your body, because the best cell therapies wouldn't be optimal if we're not identifying and eliminating root cause first. Then the cells come in, and yeah, it's like Mariano Rivera, right? You can't put Mariano Rivera if you're down nine-nothing. You're gonna waste them. You're gonna bring Mariano Rivera in when you're up two one and you need to close the game.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 12:23

And that's what these cells, that's how these cells are gonna come in and and so you're doing everything right, add the cells. And you add the cells.

SPEAKER_00 12:30

But for you though, 25 years ago, you weren't in this business. How did you get in this? Because I know you have a clinical you personally have a clinic in Miami. Correct. And then you're also involved with Cancun and Cabo.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 12:41

Right. So what what came first? Because I know in Miami it's one of the top clinics. I've heard of it even before you. Oh, thank you. Right. So I mean, it's like, how does that happen? How do you get out of whatever business you're doing? And then I'm gonna open this clinic because I know there's tons of celebrities that go to your Miami clinic. I mean, some of the biggest names in the world, right? But your Miami clinic is a little different than the stem cell clinic in Mexico. Correct. So what what is that called? Gentera?

SPEAKER_03 13:06

It's called Gentera Center for Precision Medicine, yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Okay, and so how does how do you, not being a doctor, you could you can own that, but you have doctors that work for you?

SPEAKER_03 13:14

Correct. So again, I got I got into it primarily as a passion play. I was turning 40. It was no longer about money, it was about passion and purpose.

SPEAKER_00 13:23

Because you were made your money what with real estate?

SPEAKER_03 13:25

Uh in um telecommunications and trading. So my background, so I had all my series 7, 63, all the licenses. I helped the foreign currency company go public. Uh, then I got into telecommunications uh seriously loaded.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Okay, so this is so you you how do you what how do you open up Gentra?

Precision Medicine Built On Diagnostics

SPEAKER_03 13:43

So again, I was starting 40, and then I said, and armed with all the information and living the benefits of cell therapy, initially I just got in to open a stem cell center to do IVs, autologous stem cells for orthopedic. So I wanted to inject people, take their bone marrow, re-inject it into their joints, and help them get better. But um, very quickly I noticed that really what I was trying to do is not offer cell therapies. I was really trying to offer people a personalized approach to medicine. And not being a doctor or a scientist really allowed me to look at it from the patient standpoint. And I feel no one's ever looked at medicine from the patient standpoint, which allows me to get cut through all the bureaucracy and say, what do you need? And what you and I need are completely different. The only way I'm gonna be able to identify that is run extensive diagnostics and then and then be able to understand what your goals are. And with those two points, I could put together a very personalized protocol that will help we could measure and help get you better. So as time passed and I had Open Gentra and more from a cell therapy center to offering, you know, hormones, IVs, um, all the aesthetics. And again, it's not offering one treatment or the other, is that these are all the treatments that I needed to be able to make your treatments more personalized and all revolving around diagnostics, right? I recently partnered with uh a company called Prenouve, which is kind of do the full body MRI. We work also with Clearly, which is Oh, yeah, I'm doing Clearly in a couple weeks. Well, there, there you go. So that's the whole heart scan. The whole heart scan, which is amazing. I mean, it will it wait till you see that when you get your report back because I've done it, I did it two years ago. I did it two years ago this time it's and you did some Ivy plaquex, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I did it a plaque X. Yeah, I've done that twice.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

I'm hoping for some to kind of help uh liquefy some of that uh calcium, calcium, exactly. Yeah, and because what gets you more than the hard plaque is unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

Go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 15:33

What gets you more than the hard plaque or the calcific is the soft or actually the high density plaque, right? That's the one that could break off, and we're reading about you in the paper the next day.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

So when you when you, I'm sure you remember when you see that report, it takes all of the blood vessels to and from your heart and it will show you where all that calcification is. Not only that, it'll tell you what type of calcification is. I mean, we've had people that come in with a zero calcium score, for instance. And I don't remember you in your particular case, but a zero calcium score. But then when we do this test, they'll have a 40, 50, 60% block of the soft plaque.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

And that's bad. And that's bad.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

That's bad.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

So someone like me that had the plaque is already hardened. I heard that's good because the damage has already happened.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Let's call it less bad.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Less bad. It's just the damage has already happened. Correct. And you can't get rid of it, really, can you?

SPEAKER_03 16:17

It's hard, it's harder to get rid of it. Even though with with like the plaquex and or you know, some other treatments, uh, you could maybe potentially improve that. Initially, we thought we could never reverse calcium score to a zero. We're starting to see that maybe that's not 100% correct.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

So I can tell. How can calcium get reversed?

SPEAKER_03 16:35

Well, again, I think with with these treatments like phosphocylcholine, uh I think IV plaquex is plaquex?

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Phosphacetylcholine? Yes. Oh, I've heard that.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

I didn't know the two are the same thing. That's just uh the trade name.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

Wait, so how do you say it again?

SPEAKER_03 16:49

Phosphocetylcholine. It's a mouthful.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

Oh, and and that's through an IV drip.

SPEAKER_03 16:53

That's through an IV. It's a series of IV drips, correct.

SPEAKER_00 16:55

I've heard Gary Brecker talk about that.

SPEAKER_03 16:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

But I didn't know that was plaque X.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

Yes, correct.

SPEAKER_00 16:59

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

And then in common. See, because you're talking like a patient. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:04

I think I think, and again, I think talking like a patient, because right now we have this entire, like we're in the middle of this movement that's caught steam. I think the only way we're going to continue to keep this momentum is filter the noise and continue to realize that it's all about bringing the solution to the individual, not an off-the-shelf to the masses.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

Wait, but tell me what you've seen with plaque X. You saw with Plaque X, it can get rid of the soft plaque.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

We've seen improvements in the in the soft plaque, but not the hard plaque. Well, not significantly, but we haven't seen an acceleration either.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:37

So again, I think those are good things.

SPEAKER_00 17:38

Yeah, I'm excited for my because I've done, I think I've done Plaque X three times. The thing about Plaque X, it's a commitment. It's a commitment. It's like 10 weeks of weekly IVs or twice a week. I can't remember what it was, but I was doing it. Yeah, I was doing them all the time. So I'm excited to see that progress because that's the thing. Like you could also have a high calcium score, but because it's hard plaque, you're okay, if that makes sense. Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

You're it you're less less at risk. That's why I think the clearly uh or the equivalent type hard scans are so important because you really need to see, and not only the number, but where is this plaque located, right? Because if if if you know, depending on if it's down in your widowmaker or whatnot, you know, significantly more chance for you know uh a casualty, god forbid if something goes astray. So you want to mitigate accordingly if you have to get intervention with a stint or whatnot. And the way these stints are being now, I mean, we've had people we found uh you know significant blockage, and the next day they've been stinted and they're they don't skip a beat. So the technology's really gotten good. So as the diagnostics continues to improve, I think the onus is on the patient to use these tools to be able to get ahead of this. And the more you get ahead of it, the less chronic things become, the easier they are to reverse or slow their progression.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Is a stint bad?

SPEAKER_03 18:51

A stint is not bad.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

You can live a normal life with a stint. You can live a normal life. You can live you can be you can be an elite little athlete with a stint.

SPEAKER_03 18:57

Again, it's that's not the only factor because we have to see ejection fraction and other things. But let's say, let's say in a in a silo, that statement is correct.

Longevity Wellness Moves Into Hotels

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Are you going to uh move Gentara, like franchise it or put it in other markets?

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Or is it so we're in the process now of expanding not only nationally but internationally.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Really?

SPEAKER_03 19:16

And and again, our goal is not necessarily to build so many brick and mortars, but it's more to have you know the access and have strategic partnerships and and come into that one-to-many, right? So get in with with venues that are as now we're seeing this massive push where I think the biggest thing we're gonna see hotels adding to their portfolios is a longevity wealth.

SPEAKER_00 19:39

Hands down a company that did that in uh with the four seasons in Maui.

SPEAKER_03 19:42

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 19:43

They had their own little Gentil in there.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

I I think I think the CEO of Marriott had had said where they did a survey, you know, they had the I think the largest database worldwide, hundreds of millions of people in their database, and the overwhelming response of what they people would want to see is a longevity wellness component in their facility. So if you think before it was, yeah, I'd like to have a spa, and now it's just I don't I don't want to leave my house, and then the hardest thing is you know when you travel is continuing that healthy lifestyle. So now that's inculcated into uh where you're staying, even if it's a day, two, a week, whatever it may be, then guess what? You're not gonna skip a beat.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

That's why I like the hotel you're staying at. Um have you checked in yet?

SPEAKER_03 20:23

Yeah, phenomenal.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Okay, because you see you see their spa? Yeah, it's and the gym and the hot tub and the coal plunge and the infrared.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Yeah, that's perfect. And you're gonna continue, I think, to see that evolution. And I don't think any new property now will be launched without having some of those components. And you may even see them start to push even more of the medical scope to get more into basic medical uh therapies as well.

Morning Routine Coffee Creatine Basics

SPEAKER_00 20:44

So, what for you? Do you have a daily routine of stuff and vitamins you take and exercise? Like, what do you do when you wake up? When do you eat? Like, I want to talk about you because I think what you've done to yourself is amazing.

SPEAKER_03 20:55

Thank you. So I think again, I you know, I get up pretty early, primarily due to the kids, you know, get get them ready. I will always start my day, uh, drink some water with my electrolytes first to kind of hydrate. So again, we're we're working very closely with Gary, I do the perfect aminos. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

So that's that's so then you have that. Then what?

SPEAKER_03 21:15

That's what I take. Uh then from there, I'll do a yogurt or a kefir to kind of help coat the system. And then before the before I have my coffee, that's kind of my my uh what kind of coffee?

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Like I want to know everything you do have to be.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

So with a coffee, usually if I do it at home, I'll do a cold brew uh mixed with either a coconut milk or or you know, maybe a grass grass-fed. I don't do any of the oats or anything like that. So I'll stick to either coconut or a grass fed calm.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

But just a cold brew from Starbucks or no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

I have I'll buy a cold, I have different cold brew. I get a whole food. So the brand isn't that that important. I think you just want to make sure that again, it's just pure coffee and right. No sugar, nothing.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

No sugar and you put you put the the butter in it or whatever it is?

SPEAKER_03 21:57

No, I'm not doing like the keto to add like the ghee butter. Yeah, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

And how come that not hot coffee?

SPEAKER_03 22:03

I'll I'll also do it. I will alternate. And then sometimes then at or at the off when I get to the office, I'll then have espresso, double espresso, I'll have black.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

So if I'm following my day with your day, I'm very similar. But when I have my coffee, I saw somewhere to put creatine in your coffee. So I put a scoop five milligrams of creatine in my coffee. I heard that's really good for your brain.

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Creatine's great. I think there's a ton of great studies on creatine. I've been leaving my creatine for post-workout. Not that you can't have it, but I've been leaving it for my post-workout. I will immediately first thing I do after my workout, I'll either have a protein shake with the creatine or just my water electrolytes and creatine.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

Um, how much creatine?

SPEAKER_03 22:44

I I do one of the uh creatine HCl, one of the pouches. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

Is that yeah, just there's monohydrate, yeah, and then there's HCL, which sometimes you know the monohydrate, you get you feel a little bit more bloated. This has a a faster absorption.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Oh, I've never heard of that.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

So I I I've kind of been trying this out to see if it if it suits me better.

SPEAKER_00 23:01

Is there a brand?

SPEAKER_03 23:02

Um so again, I uh Ultimate Human just launched it.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

And then uh there's a couple other HCL uh brands that because I do them, I do Momentous though.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

Momentus is good. I do mm, but I don't think it's the mono. It's it's a mono, and I put it in there, and and I heard five milligrams, what you should take. And then I hear some people saying 10 to 20, because but it does make you retain water. But I heard I heard it just so good for you. Yeah, but I'm afraid to go up higher because I don't know what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

Yeah, I I think if you're if you're kind of stepping up and you're listening to your body, it's so important. And now since you've been you've been doing a great job, by the way. Now that I've known you a few years, I've seen your progression as well, and you've really become a student of the game. And then I think that's important because you've learned to listen to your body and adjust accordingly.

SPEAKER_00 23:42

Well, I listen sometimes. I feel like I text you too much. No at all. Because there's I'm glad I can help. There's doctor's point of view, and then there's your point of view, which you know, just between you and me and whoever's watching this, that I feel that you have this like like I feel like the same with you. Like, yeah, I feel like you do know what I mean. Like, I want to know like whatever you're doing, like I agree with 100% if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 24:03

And I just I just try to make it real because I always say there's two reasons patients fall off. One is treatment fatigue, yeah, right? Because it's just too much too fast. It's just not sustainable. And the other one's dollar fatigue. These things get expensive.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:16

And if you're supplementing for the sake of supplementing without any rhyme or reason, then you could spend a fortune. Every Instagram post you scroll, you're doom scrolling, you'll buy 10 things before it all the time. Before you're done. But but what is the goal? Is the goal to take it because it sounds sounds good? Or do you want to, or do you want to cumulatively have them contribute? And the only way you could quantify that is doing recent blood work and diagnostics to measure that progress. Otherwise, we we don't even know if it's if it's if it's really working. And and again, I always tell people, yes, you have to look at this as an investment, not as an expense. So that changes the paradigm, right? Because for for so long we've been used to does my insurance cover that? You gotta change that mindset. Insurance is not gonna help anything proactively. Hopefully, we'll we'll change that in time.

Hyperbaric Oxygen NAD And Peptides

SPEAKER_00 25:05

But for right now, that was hard to take when I signed up with my doctor. Of course. All right, it was very hard because uh, you know, that's not insurance to pay for that. But it's like I used to, it took a while for my wife to buy in on it too. I hate this is an investment. You know, it's what like uh one of the things I do, I do hyperbaric. Do you do hyperbaric? Yep.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

I have one at the office.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

You do? Which kind of?

SPEAKER_03 25:20

So I take, I take uh I'll take sometimes a lot of my calls in there. Uh I have a soft chamber at the moment, but I'm gonna be upgrading to a hard chamber. So it goes to about 1.6. Uh with the the oxygen can you.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Have you seen carries my doctors?

SPEAKER_03 25:34

I haven't seen. I heard she has amazing.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

I'm gonna have four of these huge tanks. Yeah, the hard ones, yeah. Yeah, it's nuts. Those are therapeutic. You go in there for 90 minutes, it's a game changer.

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Yeah, those will go over two atmospheres.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

I saw the thing that uh Brian Johnson, the guy that's trying to live to be a thousand years old, he said, out of all the studies he's done, all of them, everything he's done, the one thing that he has seen work is hyperbaric. He said, I think he did 40 days straight. I think he did 90 minutes and he took a 20-minute break, or he took a break at 20 minutes um and then went back in. And he said his telomeres went longer, everything was better, he saw the more benefits than anything.

SPEAKER_03 26:09

Man, listen, the the the the presence of oxygen, I know we've heard we heard this, right? Gary says it all the time. The presence of oxygen is the absence of disease, right? So if you're able to drive high percentage oxygen, we're only breathing about 22, 23% oxygen at atmosphere. So if you're driving close to 100% oxygen at a high, you know, at a higher pressure, you're driving that through your entire vascular system, your brain, things are just gonna absorb better. And so I've been a huge fan. In fact, the single most excited I was when I opened Gentra was where do I put my hyperbaric chamber? Oh, really? Yeah. This was before anyone had had one. I would just so where do I put mine? Right. And I was and I wanted to be the first one. We've had it that long. I've had it that long. And maybe it maybe it's also because you know, I I dive a lot, so I'm used to hearing about the hyperbarics when diving, but I read so much of the literature and it's old, it's not, it's nothing. No, it's been around forever.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

It's just becoming more, it's become more mainstream because it they see the anti-aging, the longevity. Exactly. Okay, so what else do you do? Do you do the NAD?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Do you so so NAD, I I used to do it more frequently. Now I think the NAD IVs are tough to do consistently because of the it's a time commitment as well. Um, and I'm more important for me, or what I'm more concerned about is also more than infusing NAD, is how am I able to generate more of my own, similar to kind of testosterone. So I like to do, I'm doing more of the mitochondrial derived peptides like MODC, things that could kind of give give me a bigger battery so that I could produce more NAD.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

So MOD C helps your body produce NAD.

SPEAKER_03 27:46

Yeah, so so MOD C is just well, not necessarily just NAD, but it really helps at the mitochondria level, which as we know is um is the powerhouse of the cell, right? And and helps to drive that. So if the mitochondria, let's say if the battery is not fully charged, right? Or if you have a big car and a small battery, again, they're they're not going to, it's not gonna, you're not gonna get peak performance. So yes, I may get a flush of NAD into my system, but if I can sustain that, then what good is it? Again, and you start to see a lot of what I'm saying, and it's all about improving the playing field so that these therapeutics could do a better job.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

But would you say take an NAD? So my my NAD background is I started doing it in an IV drip, but I didn't have the time. So I would do it in 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 28:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

And you and you'd feel this edifying. I felt like I was having heart failure. It was terrible, but I was doing it for a long time. Now I've got it in a shot, and I just give myself a shot every Monday or Tuesday of 400, I think. And I and I don't know if it helped, I can't tell anything different, but I just believe in it. So I hope it's doing something.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

No, no, look, I I think that NAD is is we can't live without NAD. So let me let me put it that way. But I guess I I'm still need to see more data on the sustained long-term benefit of doing it so frequently to make sure that again, I'm moving the needle.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

But Mod C will help your body create.

SPEAKER_03 29:11

So I think I think things like Mod C, you know, uh also SS31, which is a master antioxidant. And actually, uh it's funny, I actually brought a couple of them. Are we gonna do some together? Just to show you. Yeah. Uh, you know, so here's kind of what what some of the things that I'm I'm taking uh right now. So um so here's KPV, which is really good for immune health.

SPEAKER_00 29:32

I've never heard of that before.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Uh so here's Tesumorlin, which I touched on a briefly. I've heard of that. That's which is secretogob right to help optimize IgF1. And and I that ideally it's targeting visceral fat. And then SS31, which is a master antioxidant. I'm also on on Mod C, but it's once a week. So I'm not uh, and you see, so I actually took my my kids' uh little Game Boy pack and I was gonna say what a what a great peptide carrier this is. It looks so professional, and they don't have to be chilled, they do have to be chilled, so I just brought them uh for show and tell. I'm gonna take them back to the to the to the fridge. Um, so it's not like by leaving them out for a little bit, it's not like their stem cells that they're gonna denature very quickly. So as long as I'm not exposing them, you know, to hot, uh very hot temperatures and I get them back into the cold, they'll be fine. Those are your daily ones, those are those are my daily ones, correct. And then I have the Redd once a week, the Mod C once a week. Uh and then um and I'm also on on BPC, but I took that this morning. I didn't bring that with me.

SPEAKER_00 30:30

How often do you BPC?

SPEAKER_03 30:31

So BPC, I'm doing it every day.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Just because it's recovery?

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Just because it's it's recovery. And everything I do, I cycle on and off. Why? For nothing else, not because I'm worried about one thing or the other, is that you need to give the receptors times to like reset, right? And then that's kind of just what? So depending on the peptide, anywhere between one to three months.

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Are you keeping track on paper somewhere or just up here?

SPEAKER_03 30:57

No, I mean, I usually do it by when I do my blood work. Okay, and then uh, and again, look, I'm also gonna give you a practical approach, right? Because again, I'm thinking of that as a patient. If I sit here and with all due respect for all the great things he's doing, if I Brian Johnson it, am I really gonna be if I'm living to make this happen like every waking moment, I'm just here trying to fulfill something? Am I enjoying my life? Why do I want to make it to 125? Right, that just means 25 more years of having to do all this crap, right? So I always say, give me 75 to 95 rock star, right? And we'll we'll worry about it later.

SPEAKER_00 31:30

Yeah, I'm good with that.

SPEAKER_03 31:32

That's what that's what I want to work, and I think that's more realistic. Everyone's worried about the back end number, but if from 100 to 125, I'm you know, I'm kicking it and uh, you know, I'm just not at this optimal. Like I want to feel like I feel today. That's what I'm aiming for, and that's I think a realistic target.

SPEAKER_00 31:47

And all that stuff is helping you feel great.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

I I'm I'm feeling extremely opt. Like I said, I'm turning, I'm turning 50. And I I'll I'll tell you one thing. I notice more when I'm not on it than when I'm on it because I think when you feel good, you don't notice the delta.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Right.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

But when you feel bad, you do. Right. So I think the fact that I feel so good, I'm so energetic, I'm able to go sometimes on short days if I need it. I think that that's a testament, right? And of course, I compliment with cell therapies and all of this as well.

SPEAKER_00 32:14

But what does BPC do? You do you take it every day?

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Oh, yeah, every day.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

So if you I always thought it was for if you were injured, but you're taking it just No, I mean, if you're injured as well, so I have I have a shoulder injury.

SPEAKER_03 32:24

Oh, so you do have an injury?

SPEAKER_00 32:25

I have a shoulder, but more if you weren't injured, would you still take it?

SPEAKER_03 32:28

I would still take it because I think it it also helps with gut health. And I think as we know, 70 to 80 percent of our immune system is in our gut. So I'm always, and that's why I love KPV as well. So if I'm able to optimize my gut health, like we forget how important that is. Pretty much so much of our conditions start with an immune system issue that originates in the gut, right? So I want to keep that always at at the optimal level. We're seeing I think almost pandemic levels of an increase in colon cancers or just GI cancers in in people under 50. Something we hadn't seen before. Why? It's could be a variety of reasons. I'm not I'm not here to guess why that is, right? But what I can tell you is that I don't need to tell you the why, but if I'm doing my part, like the hummingbird, I'm doing the best that I can, right? Dropping one drop of water on the fire, that's better than the next guy.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:24

And that's my approach.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

But the the KPV, what does that do?

SPEAKER_03 33:28

So uh so KPV is really good for immune, okay, immune boost, and and and gut health is and then the other one was C S something. Oh, SS31. It's a master antioxidant, a thousand times more powerful than glutathione. And I'm sure you've heard of glutathione.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

I've heard of glutathione, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

It's it's uh it's synthesizing the liver, really good antioxidant. Um, so we wanna we wanna have healthy.

SPEAKER_00 33:48

What does that mean when you're an antioxidant? What does that mean? What is it?

SPEAKER_03 33:51

So oxidative stress is really what is a trigger for a lot of chronic conditions, right? So if we're able to mitigate, and look, we need a certain amount of oxidative stress. We can't have only antioxidants because then then you go in the other direction. But if you but we're with the amount of toxins that we're being exposed to on a daily basis from the air, the water, the food, the clothes, everywhere, right? We want to make sure that we're offsetting that as much as possible.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

And that's what that does. Right. Just one so you take three injections every day. Right.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Some days, I'm doing more than that, but three right now, those are the three I brought. I did I already did BPC this morning.

SPEAKER_00 34:29

So four and four or five injections every day, and you have to you can't mix them in one shot.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

We look what I think a lot of people like with the stacks. I think some stacks may have some benefits, but there's different what's called osmolarities in each, and there are different amino acids in each of these peptides where I think you may denature, and and again, this is still so new that I'm I I I'm just I'm moving the needle based on on what I'm seeing. I've treated thousands, and by I I mean the practice. Again, I'm not a physician, but our practice treated thousands of patients over the years, and I've been fortunate. I said I wouldn't change my patients or my team for anybody because they're so focused on understanding that you in fact. I even trademarked a hashtag, which is feel better about you, because that means something different for everyone. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 35:12

That's a great hashtag. That's a great slogan, feel better about you. Wow, man. What about the uh TB500?

SPEAKER_03 35:19

So TB500, that's probably the most common stack you'll see. In fact, when you say stack, you're talking about put it all in one injection, yeah. Like more than one peptide together in a shot. Okay, you heard of the Wolver Wolverine, which is which is usually BPC, TV, and then sometimes they'll add KPV.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Um, so that's what I mean by so stack means put it all in one shot. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

Okay. Okay.

Exosomes Secretomes And Better Skin

SPEAKER_03 35:40

More than one.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Okay, shift gears and peptide. Wait, what's in the the little other container for show and tell?

SPEAKER_03 35:45

Oh, so this was when we get into the part of exosomes. I want to show you one of the products that we're working in the uh in the lab now to get an exosome product out with another very popular peptide for aesthetics called GHK copper.

SPEAKER_00 35:58

Oh, I've heard of the copper thing too.

SPEAKER_03 36:00

Purple rain.

SPEAKER_00 36:01

Yeah, so that is that a lotion?

SPEAKER_03 36:03

This is a serum that that we're testing right now, getting some really amazing results. It's clinical grade only, so you can only get it through practitioner, but we're we're tweaking some formulas to keep optimizing it before we launch it. For your face, yeah, for face, yeah, face, body, hands.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

So, what would it do?

SPEAKER_03 36:19

So, again, so if we go about the main ingredient is our secretomes, which includes our exosomes. So, we we have a an exosome company called Juvexo, which the exosomes, and when you did your session or your your podcast with Dr. Gonzalez, I know you you kind of asked, hey, how is uh stem cells compared to exosomes, right? So exosomes are secreted by stem cells, right? So these are these micro vesicles, these messengers, if you will, that will communicate, right? They will take this regenerative message from the healthy cell to the damaged cell, and then and and then kind of help them regenerate. Now, it's not just an exosome that helps this happen, right? And that's why we call it secretomes, because the stem cell secretes more than just the exosomes. The stem cells secrete the exosomes, and and in our case, Dr. Gonzalez and his genius knew that if you're trying to get your exosomes to be optimal for a particular condition, you have to make sure that the friends that are at the party with the exosomes are there to add value. So, what did he do? He got he's he coerced his stem cells to secrete not just the exosomes, but also hyaluronic acid, which as you know is extremely important for anything beauty and joints, collagen, type one and three, and also elastin, other growth factors, and something called um uh they're called uh oh god, just slip slip my mind now. Uh that it's basically like a peptide like SS31, which is um sorry, uh not SS31. L. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

You need an AD.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

L L L it's been a long, long flight. Um LL47, right? So this is a peptide that kind of helps its anti-micro beta defenses. Thank you. Um let's see, you threw an AD and it made it into my cell's um biosmosis. So LL37 and these are beta defenses, which are antimicrobial, antibacterial. So it really helps to kind of at that at that level to kind of kill that, right? So he was able to capture all of that and be able to package it in a little vial where today, you know, we're selling it not all over throughout the country, but throughout the world now. Uh in fact, we were just opening up a distribution overseas, and but this product has really been short, nothing short of amazing in complementing treatments such as microneedling, uh lasers.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Um you microneedle and you rub it all in. Correct.

SPEAKER_03 38:54

That's what that is, or that's the well, that's what we do in the clinic, and then this is good to kind of take home and and kind of the ongoing, right? Because the treatment doesn't just end when you finish it at the clinic. You have to have that ongoing benefit.

SPEAKER_00 39:06

Do you microneedle? Have you done that yourself? Yes, many times.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

I'm a big I'm a big proponent of it. And I like to do things that help my body do more of what it used to do before, as opposed to just injecting Botox and fiddles, things that are not doing anything more than what I mentioned earlier, and giving me an instant look. And I think over time, if I'm helping produce more collagen, then guess what? I'm gonna help kind of keep things going a little longer than just filling in to to kind of for short-term uh benefit.

Sleep HRV Tradeoffs On GLP Drugs

SPEAKER_00 39:34

Do any of these help your sleep? And if so, what's your sleep score?

SPEAKER_03 39:38

Uh so my sleep score, it's interesting because with I've noticed with retitrutide, or actually with any of the GOPs, I've noticed that my HRV has dropped, my heart rate has gone up, and I'm not sleeping as good. I think it's because of the accelerated metabolic activity. And when I'm off of it, I see that then I'll have my 83, 85, 90, 95 sleep scores.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Okay, so on it, what are you, 70s?

SPEAKER_03 40:04

I'm like, yeah, 70s, 80s.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Okay, so the first time I heard about Redatrutide was having lunch with this guy, and he tells me his body fat is 9%. He's 50 years old in his 50s. 9%. Yeah. I go, what are you doing? He goes, I I practice jujitsu. And I go, that's it? He goes, Oh, and I'm on red. He explains red-atrutide to me, right? And he says his sleep score is terrible. Then he shows me his heart rate. His heart rate is 95, right? And I'm like, that's terrible. Terrible. And he's taking the DCIP, whatever it is, to help you sleep, right? And he still has terrible. So I'm like, I'm never gonna do the Reddit true tride. Then I have lunch with another buddy of mine. I haven't seen him in a while. He comes into lunch, shredded, body fat 9%, 65 years old. He's on Reddit. His heart rate is 49. 49. That's like elite level athlete.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

Is this guy like a long distance runner?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

No, as far as I know, he's not. Okay. But he's in amazing shape. And then he's the one that put me on, he sent me, he owns a peptide company. Yeah. And he sent me, he's got all kinds of stuff going. I mean, that's not what he does, that's what he does as just.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

But I think you know, but the curious thing is that you've looked at them both at this timeline, but that's how important it is. What did they do leading up to that?

SPEAKER_00 41:17

Yeah, you're right, right? So I need to find out what they're but the other guy with the 95 heart rate. I mean, he's doing all kinds of stuff, lots of stresses. I mean, they're both CEOs, they both make very good living for each other, for each for themselves. But I'm just like, so I went with my friend who is 49. I was like, okay, I'll do it, man. I'm gonna go with you. Right. I'm gonna trust your peptide. And so I'm on through week three doing it.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Um you see DCP, which is deep sleep-inducing peptide. Again, you can't expect a miracle out of a peptide if you're not doing the other things, right? So a lot that and that's what that's why we want to make sure this is done under medical supervision, because you could just be peptides could just be another way of masking underlying conditions if you're not doing all the other things right. So you could potentially mask something that you would have otherwise uncovered because you're you're throwing these peptides at it.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

So well then the dude with the 95, he goes and freaking uh does uh he has a session with uh mushrooms. What do you call that? What do you call it? Philo psilocybin. Yeah, he's he does that, right? Then he starts sending me his HRV, goes through the roof like to 200 or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

And he said, I call those a try anything guys.

SPEAKER_00 42:31

Yeah, oh, he's a try anything guy.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

And with no rhyme or reason, like I said, no, no, no metrics. Like, man, I can't state it enough. You have to be able to know, like if I told you right now, hey, you gotta get you gotta get to Miami, I got I gotta give you the path to get there. Otherwise, you could go the wrong way.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_03 42:48

So I it's it's so important. Uh otherwise, it's no different than medicine 1.0. And that's what we're trying to move away from.

SPEAKER_00 42:54

So you're not the try-anything guy.

SPEAKER_03 42:56

No. I I will try anything that obviously to for me to try it, yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:59

You would have medical supervision when you try it.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

Correct. And uh, like you said, I will guinea pig thing, but by the time I guinea pig it, there's sufficient clinical data already. And I trust Dr. Gonzalez and all the work he's done for the last his entire career he's put into it, where anything he's he's doing, I'm subscribed.

Plasma Exchange EBOO And Safety

SPEAKER_00 43:14

What's your take on the plasma exchange?

SPEAKER_03 43:16

So I think plasma exchange has its benefits because I've seen Gary Brecket do it, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:20

I've seen Mark Hyman do it, Joe Rogan done it. Um a bunch of other celebrities have done it, or they hold the bag of their waste. I've done it.

SPEAKER_03 43:29

So I think there's definite benefits to it, but again, I I think it's so important to understand what it are you throwing out the baby with the bath water, and if I'm throwing away all of this plasma, you're throwing away some good stuff there. And I still want to make sure that that albumin that's being substituted is solid and and that we're not gonna have you know any issues. But for people again, for people that are chronically inflamed, have issues going on, I think they're gonna see the biggest benefits. The the ones that Doing it purely for for longevity with no with nothing significant on the underlying cause, I think time will tell on what the longevity benefit of TP is. That would be me.

SPEAKER_00 44:11

I just did it. Uh the opportunity jumped on it. I've done it three times.

SPEAKER_03 44:15

And and look, and and I I haven't I've done an uh an aphoresis, uh, which is you know similar.

SPEAKER_00 44:20

And what's the difference?

SPEAKER_03 44:22

So plasma is just, you know.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Oh, they put it back in. Yeah, they they put yeah, well, they clean your plasma.

SPEAKER_03 44:28

Right, and they they don't do they're not substituting with anything, it's just coming in, filtering, and coming back.

SPEAKER_00 44:32

Which is different than EBU.

SPEAKER_03 44:33

It's all right, because EBU, what it does is it will it it's almost like um an ozone dialysis, is what EBU is, where it's taking the blood, it's running it through a filter, collecting you know, inflammation, uh, then it's adding ozone gas, which is as you know, it's ozone will basically is is there to sterilize any toxins you know in the blood. Then it runs it back through a um UV light or photobiomodulation, and then it comes back in. And if you see the difference in color, you'll see that something's happening. But that's also eBuy is something that's not for everybody, so you have to know what the contra Yeah, I've done it three times.

SPEAKER_01 45:09

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Um, you have to know the contraindications on that because you have to monitor glucose. So again, places that's that start to offer things because it's a fad without that medical backing, they could run themselves just like an IV, even an IV.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Right, but there are places that are like credible places that are popping up that franchises of places that pop up that that if they like uh I went to a place and did it and I didn't know any anything, I just did it. But I know that it's out of based out of Los Angeles. I know some credible people have been there, so that's why I believed in it.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

Yeah, I think you did it with Next.

SPEAKER_00 45:40

Yeah, yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 45:41

Yeah, so next, I think I think Dr. Dershine's doing things, he's doing a lot of great things. So I think they they're doing it right. Uh so and again, I think conceptually it's sound. Um, I will I will do it at some point. Um, I just what what I'm saying is I don't know how much it's moving the needle.

SPEAKER_00 45:57

That's have you do you offer those services at your clinic in Miami?

SPEAKER_03 46:00

What I I offer Eboo.

SPEAKER_00 46:01

Oh, you do? Yeah. You have the eboo machines and all that? Correct. How many doctors do you have there?

SPEAKER_03 46:05

I have seven with different specialties. Oh man. So we how big is your clinic? We have a little bit over 10,000 square feet. So we have the prenouvel area. Oh, you already got the prenouvel machines in there?

SPEAKER_00 46:18

Did you have to remodel for that?

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Total, total build out. It's its own wing.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

Really? So that's like an MRI machine, right?

SPEAKER_03 46:25

Right. So an MRI using their proprietary technology to really give you full body scan, whole body scan.

unknown 46:30

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

Okay, so you got prenouval in there? What else?

SPEAKER_03 46:32

Prenouvel. So then I have a full plastic surgery component. Uh so we do all like legit plastic surgery?

SPEAKER_00 46:38

Like liposuction, nose jobs, boob jobs.

SPEAKER_03 46:41

Uh but but there again, you know, I'm really trying to introduce kind of our cell therapies into that. So when doing the fat transfers, you know, you know, adding exosomes, that type of stuff to really have a unique differentiator, right? And then on the orthopedics, so I have a uh pain management orthopedic surgeon. Uh, we also have a uh concierge primary care. So you have unlimited access to our doctor, anything you need from a prescription to blood work to a specialist. You know, when you call me and say, Hey, do you know this doctor? Could you get me in a we could fast track an appointment? So that that's it's really a community, a network, and and we we're really blessed. We have some of the best doctors, not only forget the ones only that that work under my ecosystem, but just nationwide, like you know, Dr. Dan Rubin, so many doctors that we work with throughout the Dr. Ram Dandelaya and and one of the top cardiac guys over at uh Cedar Shine in LA. Just really high-level guys that are all contributing to this momentum.

SPEAKER_00 47:38

And I think that all that all for Gentera in Miami.

SPEAKER_03 47:40

Well, no, not for Gentra, but we collaborate with each other. You know, we'll refer patients, we'll call, we'll call to ask. Hey, I have this patient for for let's say for a cardiac condition, I'm gonna refer them to you. So it's not all about, and that's a thing. I'm not just about keeping it under my bubble, it's introducing them into all the guys that are doing it right, and it all takes care of itself.

SPEAKER_00 48:00

Is there anything you know of that helps with prostate issues?

SPEAKER_03 48:04

So, well, what prostate issues in particular, like BPH, uh um prosthetitis?

SPEAKER_00 48:10

Yeah, maybe prosthetitis or just I don't know, whatever prostate issues that guys have.

NK Cells And Anti-Aging Markers

SPEAKER_03 48:14

Yeah, so so I think that with prostate, it's it's it's tricky, right? Because that's another one that we're seeing increase crazy amounts of prostate cancer. Again, early detection is so important, you know, getting your blood work. So the second you start to see any sort of elevated PSA, uh, you know, you have to monitor, you know, it could be an infection, right? Prostatitis, it could be what's called a benign prostate hyperplasia or BPH, there's medication for that. Uh but again, I I think usually by by adjusting lifestyle, right? And and then attacking, like if you're doing the cell therapies to help use your systemic inflammation, a lot of times you see these things get better. Yeah, like you think NK could come in and eat up uh Yeah, there's one thing, if there's one therapy that I'm so excited about is NK spells because A, there's no one else that's doing it.

SPEAKER_00 48:58

You mean outside of rehealth? Outside of rehealth, exactly. And you can't do NK in the United States, right?

SPEAKER_03 49:03

You you can't do no, because anything you're doing systemically, uh, what I mean by like an IV, uh-huh, it's considered a drug, right? So if I'm taking anything out of you, I'm manipulating it, I'm putting it back in, FDA considers that a drug. So you can't do that, you cannot do it in the United States. You cannot do that on Rust.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

So re-health does that. I've done it twice. How many times have you done NK? I've done it twice as well. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

How many did you get with your I think I got between two and four billion?

SPEAKER_00 49:26

And then you just did the blood draw one time and then they split it up? Right. Yeah, that's what they did to me.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

Correct.

SPEAKER_00 49:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 49:31

And after that publication that we put out in 2022, where there's two primary anti-aging markers um that we we uh studied. One is called Beta Gal, and the other one is called P16. We saw that all the patients that we treated had a reduction in that. These are markers that as we get older, we see them they're consistent in everyone at old age. So by setting this back on all these patients, we stumbled upon an anti-aging therapy. We weren't looking for that. Serendipitously we found that. And now, as we've continued to test our patients, I mean, we've had people get instantaneously cured of like IBS, turns off the IBS marker. So we're really excited, and um, and I think what have you seen in your own body? In my so we tested my anti-aging markers and they came down as well. So I think what we're gonna see is that this in combination with stem cells, cumulative over time, we're gonna see an improvement in our in all of our anti-aging markers from telomeres to our inflammatory cytokines to our um, you know, to just our overall immune health. And that is where we have to continue the conversation if we're gonna discuss living anything longer.

SPEAKER_00 50:45

Right. Let me go to the I I talked about health.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

Hopefully I didn't bore you too much.

Biohacks Worth Skipping Or Doing

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Not a dude, you didn't bore me at all. At all. So I had I was talking about you being on here today. Um, let me get the questions. What's one health habit people think is important but actually isn't? That's funny. I was gonna ask you that too. I was gonna ask you more about is there something somebody's doing? You say, like to me, methylene blue, don't do it. But I don't know, I'm not a doctor. But is there something like that that's it?

SPEAKER_03 51:11

I I think I think one, and not to not to speak bad about anyone who's doing it, I still haven't seen enough in cryotherapy to justify like I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

SPEAKER_00 51:23

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 51:24

And I think that the that the offsetting the cold and hot therapy, I'm a bigger proponent of what I'm seeing because you get the cold shock and the hot and the heat shock proteins, and kind of you know, throwing those in into the mix, I like that better than having to put yourself into an extreme cold for three minutes or or or whatever. So um that's one that I think has gotten maybe more hype over the years and one that I wouldn't consider adding to my clinic.

SPEAKER_00 51:55

If you do hot cold therapies, and let's say it's it's evening, what's the last one you should do? Like I always debate that, meaning I hot tub and cold plunge and sauna a couple times a day. I sauna once, but like I will in the morning before I go to work, I sauna, I hot tub, then I jump with a cold plunge, and then I go to work. So I'm pumped. Right in the evening, I'm trying to find out what works best for me by monitoring my sleep. Like I will hot tub, co-plunge, hang out, then go to bed. And I think my sleep score is whatever. So I tried to co-plunge, hot tub. Then I'm sweating like a pig before I go to bed. So what I most recently at night, hot tub for five, 10 minutes because it feels so good. Yeah, co-plunge for a minute, jump back in the hot tub, then get out and go at the exert.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

You know, I I don't have I don't have the exact answer, but I've done the I've tried to do the same thing myself. And I haven't come up across, but at night, I I like to end with hot because of the, like you said, the relaxation because it relaxes you and lowers your heart rate, which should help you, but then I start sweating like a pig. Well, then that becomes either get yourself a uh a sleep eight or lower the AC. I got the sleep eight.

SPEAKER_00 53:01

Do you have the sleep eight? Yeah. Do you have the sleep eight? So what do you I want to look at how you your how you how you set your settings are because I don't know if I can do the settings right.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

Oh yeah, I'll show you.

SPEAKER_00 53:09

Okay, good. Um, what's what's one supplement most people are wasting money on?

SPEAKER_03 53:15

What's one supplement people waste?

SPEAKER_00 53:17

Uh I feel like I I need a good multivitamin. Do you know a good multivitamin?

SPEAKER_03 53:21

And and so my answer is going to be now you're able to get customized multivitamins. Right, right, right. So my answer would be if we're able to get your there's a company we work with uh that we get, we do, you know, the labs will do your micronutrients. And based on those results, you'll get a custom vitamin pack that lasts you about 12 weeks. And because I think that that again, it should be precision vitamins as opposed to, hey, buy this one or or buy that one. Because again, if I'm giving you a multivitamin without knowing what your makeup is, then I'm just guessing. So I think we can get more precise now. We should.

SPEAKER_00 54:00

You do that, you offer that at your clinic, or is there a company people who would what's something in health or biohacking sounds crazy, but it actually works.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

If we're talking about uh, you know, let's say in the US, because we can't we we we can't do this, um, we can't do it any other way. But I think extracting stem cells from you, most people thinking of having a corkscrew needle driven into your you know, posterior into your hip or into another joint to extract stem cells to then have it go back in a joint is pretty crazy. But man, we there's there's a lot of science we've seen a lot of people get better. And in lieu of doing like the treatments that you've done in in Mexico and we're doing, it's the best thing we have available to us in the United States, in the US but Mexico, it like rehealth is a lot better, right? Right, but but it's something that more people have access to.

SPEAKER_00 54:50

Then there's a lot of practitioners that are now have have perfected it, and and you're seeing for osteoarthritis, yeah, it's that's kind of like uh uh not prolo, PRP or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 55:01

So if you're looking at the regenerative scale, so PRP or prolo therapy is kind of on the lowest end of the spectrum because it's really just dextra, sugar water, right? So the reason that works is you just kind of changing the you know you're injecting something, you're getting a a little bit of relief, but there's no regenerative benefits. Then you're moving up to PRP, which is has you know growth factors, but the PRP is only as good as the individual it's coming from.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

So the dexta thing is only temporary, right?

SPEAKER_03 55:25

Okay, yeah, and then after PRP we have exosomes, and then after exosomes, we have stem cells at the highest because remember, the stem cells are also releasing exosomes and are are more potent.

SPEAKER_00 55:36

What's something you won't do even if it's popular?

SPEAKER_03 55:39

I guess my answer will be anything that I I haven't scientifically vetted that I feel has a like a greater benefit than the risk, right? And and and what I like for a while, like I didn't do eboo for a while because I wasn't I wasn't convinced of it. Then I I continued to read some some more papers. Okay, I think that again, still with caution, but then I did it. Um the you know NKs, it took a it took a while. Once we had that publication, we knew in theory how it would work, but once we had that publication, I go, I'm in.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

That's funny. I didn't know you were like that. I thought you were more like, I'll do it.

SPEAKER_03 56:17

Right, because you only hear from me after I've done it. I know, but you haven't heard about my mindset to get there.

SPEAKER_00 56:22

Like if you were to call me and say there's this new thing, dude, they're doing whatever, I'd be like, Brian says, dude, I'm going, I'm gonna go do it.

SPEAKER_03 56:27

But the good thing is now you know when I call you with that, you know, I've done my homework for you.

SPEAKER_00 56:30

Right. No, that's that's what I mean. It's kind of like with some of these there's like Dr. Mark Hyman. You know that guy? Yep, like I trust that dude. I bumped him at the airport one time. I was it was like I met Justin Bieber, I freaked out. But it's like, I will do whatever that guy says to be.

SPEAKER_03 56:42

Mark was very public about an issue, a health issue that he had.

SPEAKER_00 56:46

He had a stem cell issue.

SPEAKER_03 56:47

Well, well, I mean, I I think technically he had it, he had a an adverse event. I mean, I don't think it's been publicly disclosed what was the cause, but Oh, I think it has been. It has been, yes.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

I think I I think I read all about it not that long ago. That's why I said it was a stem cell thing.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Yeah, but I know, I know that he was, you know, he had a you know, he felt you know pretty bad and he had you know he had to overcome a health journey, which he publicly spoke about. Right. And sometimes, you know, we the the road to hell is paved with good intention. So we think that we've we've done things the right way, and we still have we could have a bad outcome, right? And and medicine practiced perfectly may still yield an imperfect outcome.

SPEAKER_00 57:23

Oh, that's pretty powerful.

SPEAKER_03 57:25

Yeah, you heard it here first.

Night Routine Simplicity And Consistency

SPEAKER_00 57:26

So we talked about your morning routine. What about your night routine?

SPEAKER_03 57:29

Um, my night routine is play with the kids, um, unwind. No, that's important, man. That's really important. Very important. I think there's there's no bigger rush of dopamine than just having that, you know, getting home and having them, you know, after a long day and and and basically taking on the world and all the problems and trying to help everybody get better than you trying to get your home better. I think that's that's that's a big deal. That that helps cure the soul. Um, so I I spend some time with them. I have a light dinner. Um I will then, you know, then I'll you know, kind of catch up with with my wife and and from there then I'll do again, either the like we discussed, I either do a hot shower and then a cold uh hot and cold shower. Sometimes I don't have the luxury of going out to the plagiarity. I'll just do very hot shower, very cold shower just to to kind of you know get that going. I will take my night supplements, um, which I I take a lot of uh for instance, I'll take arteryl cell, which is good for uh kind of for the strengthening the glycocalyx uh of the heart. I'll take my garlic and and my um and I take some uh black uh black pepper. Some things that I'm do you take the black pepper?

SPEAKER_00 58:34

Yeah, just somebody sent that to me, told me that it was the best thing in the world, and I was afraid to take it.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm taking again again. It took me a while, you know, to get there. I'm gonna take it for three months. Oh, so you just started taking it. Yeah, I just started, I just started taking it. But again, if it helps binding with you know toxins and whatnot, anything that can help, I'm more about eliminating something than I am about adding something.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

What about the therosol? Um what I I was on that for a while. And then I did a blood panel, and my doctor was going over everything with me, and she said that that this and I'll show it to you when I have it if that if that it's BS.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

Well, I mean, again, from the from the it's just a supplement, right? So it's it's not a drug. So I can see why the doctor may say that it that it's BS, but I know there's there's no there's no downside to it, A. And B, from the studies, independent studies I've seen, strengthening the glycocalyx is extremely important because the stronger those that inner wall is, right? So think of like the the the inside of your hose, it, you know, the stronger that is, the less likely you are to get a you know a bubble or something. That's that's great, especially for heart health. So I'm okay. We have a lot of we have a lot of patients.

SPEAKER_00 59:45

The good news is for me is that I'm driving you when we leave here, and so I'm going to stop by my house with you and we're gonna go from my we're gonna we're gonna go check all your stuff.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

And I'm pretty sure you're gonna have way more things than I take. I'm really big on simplicity because if I've gone a few days and I've missed certain things, I know I've taken on too much. So I will always reset myself and I'll shed because I need to keep it practice. I'm telling you, treatment fatigue and dollar fatigue. I don't want either of those to happen.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:13

You know what I do? I start adding is uh I take a shot of uh olive oil. Do you do that too?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:18

Olive oil is great, but uh again, it's make sure you have because there's such a big racket with olive oil, same like a big racket. I love honey. Finding like legit sources is so important. Because otherwise, all you're doing is making your soul feel good, but but then you're not getting anything, any improvements.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

Well, I'll run that by you too. So I do the olive, I also just start taking some metamucil.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:38

Metamusil, okay, fiber.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

Yeah. And uh this no one told me to do this, but I I take uh apple cider vinegar and I mix it in water and I chug it before I eat.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Yeah, and look, if we're looking at each of these things that you're taking, um there's therapeutic benefits to all, but what I'd like to see is how cumulatively these are helping move your needle greater than the amount of effort it's taking you to get them.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

Right. Wait, would you say first dollar and what's the other one? Treatment fatigue and treatment fatigue. But I think I'm so OCD I won't have treatment fatigue because I I kind of love doing it all seeing where I am and what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:10

No, no, listen, man, and you're you've you've definitely become you're so passionate about this. Like when I when I get a John Jay call, I'm like, I I know there's a good question coming.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:17

Oh, thanks, man. Yeah. I love rehealth. I love Gentra, and I'm a big fan of Immunocene. I didn't know you were involved in Immunoscene too, which is an incredible program.

Immunocene Dendritic Cell Cancer Vaccine

SPEAKER_03 1:01:26

Man, let me tell you that Immunocene and and the way we we kind of stumbled upon them. Uh, Dr. Gonzalez brought Dr. Halper, who's who's really been uh you know a pioneer in in this dendritic cell therapy uh research for for many years as a technology out of Baylor. Uh, you know, and a lot of times when you're coming out of the lab, in the lab so many things work, but then it's going in vivo, right? Live into patients. And when we saw that their initial clinical study that they filed for their US company was in glioblastoma, which is the most aggressive type of brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

That's what my mother died of that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

Yeah, and it's as you know, unfortunately, I'm sure she had a GBM 4.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

Right. The worst kind you could have.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:07

And and and lifespan less than 18 months, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:10

18 months exactly. Which is a lot pretty long. Which is pretty long. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

So you're looking at 18 months at the higher end of the spectrum. So when we saw them take that on, I go, you're either crazy or your therapy works, or maybe a little of both. And after seeing the initial brain scans and seeing patients that were 18, 24 months out with what they call NED or no evidence of disease, we were like, This is we've never seen this before. Because dendritic cells, just to understand and very basic, dendritic cells are like the alarm system of your immune system. So they're meant to notify your immune system that there's an intruder, and then all the other guys come to action, the NKs, the T cells, killer T cells. But if it if your immune system is fooled that there's no intruder, then that's how, and cancer does a great job of doing that. So for a lot of years, we knew dendritic cells what their therapeutic value was, but no one had been able to correctly activate them to do what they needed to do. And Immunocene was the first one to actually using their proprietary double loading technology, was able to do was in essence, we take the DNA makeup of the of the solid tumor, right? We then draw your blood via an aphoresis.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

And we make a vaccine.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Yeah, we're making a vaccine, but from your from from your tumor, specifically for that person. We will then isolate the dendritic cells and we will feed it the DNA makeup of your of your tumor.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

It's incredible.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:31

And then we will inject near one of the tumors and the nearest lymph nodes within 14 days apart. So it's three treatments, 14 days apart. So 42 days is is the total treatment. Uh and what we've seen in there, and I mean, and I could show you images of a patient that that I refer. I mean, it is impressive. Thank God, people that came to us with months to live, stage four, multiple mets throughout their body are cancer free and alive today.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:00

It's incredible, man.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

There is no bigger reward than that.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:03

I I I push people to Immunocene all the time. I push people to rehealth all the time. And and when it comes to Gentera, so you don't have to live in Miami.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:10

No, no, you don't. So you guys do like telemed or you'll do telemed, and and and uh like I said, we're gonna be setting up you know outposts. We have doctors that have licenses in multiple states, so that allows us to to to be able to see patients. And and generally, who doesn't want to come to Miami once a year anyway? I know, I know so it's not a very difficult proposition to get people to our clinic.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:28

I went there, I've only been to Miami one time and I ate at some restaurant that's famous for crab legs and was the most expensive meal in the world. Joe's. That's it, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:36

Joe's is actually in the uh in the book, I think a thousand things that you have to do before you die.

Final Thoughts And Where To Connect

SPEAKER_00 1:04:41

Oh, really? Oh, good. I checked that one off. Yeah. All right, Brian, thanks for being on my podcast. Thanks so much. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. I think you're an amazing human being, bro. You as well, man. Thanks for having me. Follow him also on Instagram at Brian Plough. Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.