BRAIN MAPPING WITHOUT A CLINIC — HERE’S HOW!

Welcome And The Smarter Question

SPEAKER_01 0:05

Okay, so welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show. You guys are everywhere, right? So I was like, man, if you guys can come in, that'd be great. So a couple things. One, can this make me smarter?

SPEAKER_04 0:32

Okay. So real talk, there's a number, and we'll give you your number whenever we're done doing the scan, that is a little bit of a marker of intelligence, right? So it's associated with IQ processing speed. So it's basically there's a rhythm in the occipital region, the back of our head, that your brain should be producing a certain amount of a brainwave called alpha. When that alpha rhythm starts to slow down prematurely, that's then gonna, you know, lead us to asking more questions about neurological health. So whether it's, you know, early onset Alzheimer's, dementia, or different just like slowing rhythms that we don't want to see in the brain, um, we then can do protocols that are specifically tailored to help speed the brain back up. Um, so yes, it can make you smarter. So yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Good, because I I feel like I need that. So what's the relationship with you two? Are you guys partners? How did this start with you two?

SPEAKER_05 1:23

We are best, we are like all the things. Um, Rachel started Brain Code Centers 20 years, I don't know 20 years ago, 15 years ago. You've been in the field for 12 years. 100 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 1:32

Brain codes like what, 12 years now?

SPEAKER_05 1:34

Yeah. So and we met probably 10 years ago and have a very similar vision, a very similar mindset, and decided to do all of the things and make sure that you know people know brain health is critical and and that you are able to train your brain. I feel like that's our passion truly is just bringing hope to people and allowing people to understand that you are not beholden to what you're born with, right? Your brain is capable of change. People just don't know how to do that yet.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

I saw this thing where it was like you don't have ADHD, you just your brain isn't trained right, right? Do you believe that?

SPEAKER_04 2:09

There is a clinical pattern for ADHD. So I do believe that yes, you can display that pattern and and that's gonna create ADHD symptoms. Um, I would say 70% of the population that is like self-diagnosed ADHD, if we mapped them, no.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

So you see when you map them, what's the science behind this? Like, how did you come up with this?

SPEAKER_04 2:30

So I did not come up with QEEG technology. Um, we've obviously came up with the service and the specific program and our global remote um option that we can do. Uh, but QEEG has been around for many, many, many years where you're able to quantify the electrical activity of the brain that yields itself patterns, right? So we could map anybody, um yourself, we'll do that afterwards, any anybody, and we can see the patterns that are displayed. So without you telling us anything, that's what's so cool. It's you just sit there, it's not a stress test, we're not trying to evoke emotion, we're not gonna trick you into questions, ask you about all your traumas. We can see, you know, oh my gosh, John Jay, you know, did you have a concussion growing up? Did you know? No way. You can tell that everything. Everything because your brain, think of it it's like a it's like a tapestry or an archive of your story, right? Your story is your story. So sometimes I think people are like, How do you see the concussion? You had one, right? We're gonna be able to see it.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Can you have a can can you know, like what if I don't know if I had one? Is that random or is that does that happen?

SPEAKER_04 3:32

Some people, when we start to ask more questions, right? Okay, did you play a lot of sports? Were you a little bit more um of a thrill-seeking kiddo? And were you the kid that kind of was falling all over the time and maybe just had some little micro hits to the head? Usually people like we can see it. Um I mean, I guess there's sometimes people like just.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

I mean, also in the 90s, it wasn't even called a concussion. It was called getting your bell rung. So I talked to a lot of guys. I'm like, gosh, do you have a concussion history? Never had one in my life. I'm like, oh, do you play sports? Well, yeah, football through college. I'm like, no concussion. Like, there's no way, right? It just wasn't called that. We didn't, we didn't label it that so they don't think that they did, but the brain doesn't lie, it will still tell us.

Alpha Rhythm And Brain Health Flags

SPEAKER_01 4:11

So, but with this product you have, is this something that you do to get better? You do it every day? Are you do you tell people like you'll get information, but it's also like if I had one, is it like, okay, every day I gotta do this for 20 minutes and it's gonna make me better?

SPEAKER_04 4:24

So think about think about brain training, like learning a new skill. So this is the beautiful thing about neurofeedback is you should not have to do neural feedback forever to create neurological change. So think about this as a learned behavior, much as riding a bike, driving a car, a kid learning how to walk, right? You're gonna repeat this process over and over and over again to where you're creating a new default mode network of the brain. Um, think about athletes, right? Like let's say you were an athlete, then you hung up your um jersey. You know, 20 years later, you still can throw that football in the same pattern that you used to because you trained that so many times. So it's a muscle memory or a habitry to be able to get your brain to create the changes that you want, though. Most of our clients work with us for about six months, and you're gonna train your brain, let's say three times a week for 20 minutes to create that clinical change.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

So when they work with you, are you doing it like via Zoom with them? Or is it like, here's the thing, do this three times a week for 20 minutes? Like, are you working with them?

SPEAKER_05 5:18

No, it's done. So the headset that we have, and we can, you know, pull that out, show you it's a band that goes around your head, you have an app on your phone. All those sessions are done totally at your leisure, right? You want to do that six in the morning, 10 o'clock at night, while you're doing your red light. That's totally for you. And then one time a week, we do have our clients meet with their clinical clinician um via Zoom to talk about we're getting feedback every single session in micro voltage on the back end. So we also we do a brain map at the beginning, and people are like, well, how do we track change? How do we know that, you know, good things are happening? One, you should feel that, right? You're gonna experience that change on a more qualitative level. Quantitatively, data on the back end, we're getting numbers every single session. So we're still watching that change happen. So once a week, we can talk about, hey, this is what your alpha did this week. Looks like we need to change protocols and maybe focus more on your parietal lobe this next week. Um, so that allows us to kind of gauge one, what your progress looks like quite qualitatively, but then we can give you those numbers.

SPEAKER_01 6:14

Can there be change after one session?

SPEAKER_05 6:17

Do you go to the gym and get shredded in one day?

SPEAKER_01 6:20

Not shredded, but I'm sore the next day.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Absolutely. And you can feel that change. So the answer is yes, that change is happening. But I do feel like in the era of Amazon Prime, people want it tomorrow, right? Like I did a session, you know, I ate one salad. Like, why am I not totally different? Think about this as like that long-term change, right? That I didn't start learning Spanish yesterday and today I'm gonna go to Cabo and absolutely slay, right? It's gonna take a minute to commit those patterns to permanency. I would say give it a month, give it four to six weeks. Same thing if you go to the gym, give it four to six weeks, take pictures, and you're gonna start to notice those things. Man, I'm sleeping more deeply. I'm waking feeling more rested. I feel more focused. That anxiety that I was feeling, you know, six weeks ago, that feels so much more tempered. Uh so yes, change is happening after one session. Are you gonna a hundred percent see it? Not necessarily.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

So it'll help you sleep better. That's my big thing right now. I'm so into sleep. I'm psycho about it.

SPEAKER_05 7:16

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 7:17

Because I've had my for my radio career of extreme lack of sleep. For sure.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

Do you track your sleep?

SPEAKER_01 7:22

I started a couple of years ago, now I'm upset. Now I track it on three tracks, I track it on my whoop, I track on the oar ring, and I track it on the sleep eight mattress. And I'm like doing all the things. In fact, you've got an oar ring right there.

SPEAKER_05 7:31

Yeah. I'm also a psycho and track my sleep. I was showing Rachel my numbers, and I'm like, look at those numbers, I'm changing things. Um you say you're changing things.

SPEAKER_01 7:39

What do you mean? What are you changing?

SPEAKER_05 7:40

So I have a history of insomnia, terrible insomnia. Rachel has, again, because we're best friends, she's heard the insomnia story for years, and I have gone through so many different things and worked with so many different functional doctors. And finally I said, I'm I'm done. And truth be told, I plugged everything. I get gave Chat GPT probably the most detailed everything that I've ever done, created a plan and started because I've taken sleep medication for years, started to wean off. I've slept better now than I have in the last 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 8:13

What was your sleep score last night?

SPEAKER_05 8:15

Not 89.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

89. 89. What about you, Rachel? Do you just track it?

SPEAKER_04 8:19

After I had my baby, I was like, I can't track sleep because I get shitty scores every single time.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

So she got a 96. She gets she gets the highest sleep score. She reads. Are you like, do you die and then wake back up?

SPEAKER_05 8:32

Like what like what do you have to do for a 96?

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Right?

SPEAKER_05 8:36

I would have to do some unspeakable things, but like that's my if I could get higher. I don't think I've ever had higher than a 91. And it used to be when I would like drug myself unspeakably. I my goal is now a 96. If I can be like Blake, like I'll be, it is Blake, yes?

SPEAKER_01 8:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 8:53

Yes. It's Blake. I I'll if I can be like Blake, I'm I'm gonna win.

ADHD Patterns And QEEG Brain Mapping

SPEAKER_01 8:58

The highest you ever got is a 91 because I do everything I can. Like I take the magne, I take about a thousand milligrams of magnesium, then I drink this special drink that helps you. Yeah. Uh I try to stop drinking water at 5 30. And then I do, I or I bought the Dave Asprey red glasses at night two hours before, and I kind of like sit in my bed.

SPEAKER_05 9:17

Going outside, getting the dimming light, being out in the morning, getting the morning light. It so first off, to backtrack, yes, neurofeedback. I mean, sleep is probably one of the number one things that we treat. Interestingly, it's not one of the number one things that people come in with. They come in for anxiety, they come in for ADD, and then we talk about sleep and they're like, Yeah, I sleep terrible. It's like, oh, well, one, getting your sleep dialed is if there is any longevity hack that we can ever talk about, it's sleep. Right? Sleep is the key to everything. And, you know, Rachel, why don't you talk a little bit about like first responders? We work a ton with first responders. Sleep is their number one.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

Yeah, I mean, we have so many first responders. They have these wacky, you know, shift schedules and stuff like that, or athletes that are constantly on the road. Um, it's not about changing their sleep situation, right? You're not gonna tell someone, just shouldn't be a responder or professional athlete because your sleep is gonna suck. No. How do you create quality of sleep with the sleep that they're able to get? So, what we see, let's say, for example, someone's only able to on average get about five hours of sleep. Well, five hours, in our opinion, clinically, is probably not ideal. But could we increase the sleep, the latency? Could we increase REM and deep sleep numbers so that those are performing better? Um, so that's what the metrics are that we're gonna be looking for on those changes.

SPEAKER_01 10:33

I can't wait to try it. I want to do it like uh on the air on my radio show and just have it on while I'm on the air and see what happens.

SPEAKER_05 10:39

So the only thing about you definitely can do that. It'll come up if you're talking. It's gonna come up with a lot of um like muscle tension, things like that. So we do have, I had a lady, a client who she was like, I always do it on the treadmill. I'm like, for the 900th time, you can't do it on the treadmill. You want to be sitting, you want to be relaxed. So it's tracking just brain waves, not a bunch of other artifact.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

Well, let me ask you this. I think you posted something today. I think it's today. Because you know how Instagram, I don't know if what when I see your feed, I don't know if it was today or it was like four days ago, but it blew my mind because I think you said something like, don't do this, and I think I do it. It was about coffee and fasting, right?

SPEAKER_05 11:17

Sorry, like empty stomach first thing in the morning.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah, I don't I fast. I I have coffee. I just started coffee like three years ago. And I have coffee in the morning and I fast I do an 18-hour fast. I don't need to like one or two. And then you were like, don't do this. I was like, no, why? Why?

SPEAKER_04 11:31

I mean, black is it black coffee?

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Yeah, nothing, just black.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

Just in general, we need to be laying our gut down with something that is like a foundation for our system. So if the first thing that you're ingesting, even before water?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

No, I do I first I drink water, then I drink some electrolytes. Okay. And then about an hour and a half later, I have a cup of coffee.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

That's better. I think some people the they they get out of bed and they are going to the coffee pot and like that's the first button. Right. So water, I think, is good. Um, but even more so if you can get some sort of substance just to keep your nervous system and like not getting your your hormones spiked up in the morning, which is ultimately what can happen, is better. I'd say some people though, what's your tolerance level, right? If if you're telling me you have a lot of high stress and a lot of anxiety and a lot of emotional reactivity, then we need to look at those details. Some people I do think can tolerate it a little bit better, but a lot of the people that are coming to us, right, they are struggling with some things. And so we have to kind of look at their lifestyle and behaviors.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

So you would say to somebody who comes in, hey, maybe you should stop drinking coffee at 6 a.m. or just don't drink coffee at all. Or it's all their brain.

SPEAKER_04 12:38

Oh yeah, I drink coffee. Oh golly, I look fine. We're gonna walk our happy selves over to press first thing. Okay. You'll have a little snack before.

SPEAKER_05 12:46

And also, women and men are different, right? So women are on a like 27, 30 day cycle, men are on a 24-hour cycle of hormones. So women, it does affect their hormones differently to wake up and immediately put yourself into a state of hypervigilance and fight or flight. Men tend to regulate that a little bit better. But exactly what Rachel said, every brain is individual and different. So yeah, if someone comes in, they're like, my number one is anxiety, and they're chugging a quad shot cold brew, like straight to the heart every single morning when they wake up. I'm like, let's talk about some lifestyle changes that might assist in this.

SPEAKER_01 13:22

Um, how long are you guys in town for?

SPEAKER_04 13:25

Through we changed it through Monday morning.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

I was gonna say, I would you guys should literally check my doctor's facility, it's close to where you guys are. She's got four hyperbearer chambers, the the big one, the tank. She's got uh a red light bed, she's got a gym. What's it called? It's called Benissaire, and it's very close to where you guys are, and it you guys would like she would probably love to talk to you guys about this. I love that. Oh she's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

Wellness, like because it's what type of doctor is she?

SPEAKER_01 13:54

She's concierge doctor. But she's like, but I mean, she's shredded too. Like she's a beast.

SPEAKER_04 13:59

That's awesome. Yeah, I only want my doctors to be shredded.

Concussions The Brain Still Shows

SPEAKER_01 14:02

Yeah, and you know, because that way when she could when I came in one time and I put on some weight, she was like, Whoa, touch my stomach. And I was like, Whoa, you know. She sounds like she could be our friend. Like I walk in and she'll be like, they'll be like, hey, we need to take your blood right now. And they'll like take my like it's one of those places really, it's it's really, I think, uh uh ahead of its time. That's awesome. Before it was like I was doing her stuff before I heard of Next Health. Yeah, like she is like it's kind of like she's like next health, but different because they also have they also have the gym there and stuff, you know? So they do the ivy drips, she's great, and she's right by you guys. Plus, I've never really seen hyperbaric chambers like hers before.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:35

It's it's pretty neat. So are you guys into the red light bed? Are you guys into the sauna? Do you do all that kind of stuff? Is that part of all this?

SPEAKER_04 14:42

You know, I think just different seasons in life like call for different things, right? Everybody's so busy. You could spend 24 hours a day focusing on your health. So I think I do. I I truly um I think to like uh minimize it, I think there's a wave even on Instagram right now where you see people they have the neurofeedback headset on, they're in the hyperbaric, they're like shaking their bodies, they're doing 15 biohacking things at a time. For somebody that isn't even in the wellness space, that is so overwhelming to try to understand why you're doing all these things. What should I do first? What's most important? What's the order of operation? And so we're always going to stress like, what are the basic human necessities, right? Fellowship, um, eating a whole food diet, good hydration, good environment. Like, what is your sleep, even the room that you're sitting in? Is it dark? Like, what's the air quality in that room? So we're gonna very much so focus on all of those things first and foremost. Um, but I think like different seasons, like I said, call for different things. So, like I said, I just had a baby. For me, my job at that moment was to focus on optimizing my hormones, focusing on optimizing my nutrition and minerals so I could, you know, breastfeed and give back to my kid the way that I needed to, and then get myself back. Um, like she was saying, she's, you know, trying to heal her sleep. And so that's gonna take an amount of focus. So I think again, it's like bio individual. What is that person's goals? What is their um lifestyle habits? And how do you create a plan for them?

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Do you guys drink alcohol? Isn't that like poison?

SPEAKER_05 16:14

So, first off, this is not actually not like fact. This is just Angie's personal opinion. I believe that everybody has like a toxic cup, right? And a toxic load that your body can handle. First off, I think we maybe have, you know, a drink like once a month. It's really infrequent. Was that true for 21-year-old Angie? It was not. 21-year-old Angie was into some shenanigans, but now it just doesn't serve my body. We work out a lot, we like to wake up feeling really good. But I also, which is funny, I say this because I am somebody that I don't have gluten, dairy, eggs, all the things. But when it comes to like a lot of things, a lot of things are fine in very like minimal doses. Now, could I never drink alcohol again and I'd be just fine? Yeah, it doesn't. But I also feel like if I have, you know, a glass of wine with my best friend on a patio in Denver in the sun, I'm gonna do that. And that feels totally good for me.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

You don't eat eggs because you don't like like what's with it? I heard eggs are really good for you.

SPEAKER_05 17:11

For the love of God, they are so good for you. So I also with the sleep, I also have a ton of gut issues. I took very low-grade acne antibiotics for like 15 years when I was, you know, age 12 to I don't even know, 20 something. Um, don't ever take low-grade acne antibiotics. Like, truly, I would never allow a child to do that somehow.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Like the kind Justin Bieber would do commercials for?

SPEAKER_05 17:34

I'm sure, right? Because yeah, all acne medications, it's like very low-grade antibiotics. So just destroyed my gut health. So when I eat certain things, it just wrecks me. And unfortunately, eggs are one of them. So eggs are super healthy as long as you're getting like really good quality eggs. They just like I cannot tolerate them right now. But after I solve the sleep, I'm going in for the gut and I'm adding eggs freaking back.

Neurofeedback Training Schedule And Results

SPEAKER_01 17:56

I bet you I can make your, I bet I could fix your gut health in an hour. I okay, you ready for this? Would take that back. I mean, there's a little bit more to it, but so I was telling you guys about this guy, Rafael Gonzalez. He's a scientist, he's freaking amazing, and you have to meet him. He so I have this friend of mine, he's my trainer in at the doctor's office. Yeah, 35 years old. He's had autoimmune issues his entire life. Uh ultra colitis, pancreatitis, right? That kind of stuff, right? So for two weeks a year, his entire life, he's been in the hospital where it's almost he's almost gonna die. We've had him on meds his whole life. So I'm doing all this research on stem cells, and I I talk, I go, and I I've done it several times, my wife has done it several times in Cancun or Cabo. I talk him into going, but he goes, gets stem cells, gets an IV drip of 250 million stem cells. So right after the drip, the doctor says, Let's go to this Mexican restaurant, let's get some enchiladas, and Chris goes, I I I can't I can't do that because I'll get sick. He goes, No, you won't, you're fine. It's been two years. The dude's never taken a pill, has had no problems ever since that first drip. Two years.

SPEAKER_05 19:04

We've actually had conversations about stem cells, and I do feel like you I feel like you don't hear the scary stories of somebody who went to we've we have heard a couple of stories. I've heard two. Yeah, of friends who go to Costa Rica, do some stem cells, almost die. So I I absolutely hear like the I'm living my best life, like never felt better. And also I feel like it's less publicized when it's like I went to feel better and it went.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

There was a guy in this space that talks a lot about that. He went somewhere. Do you know what I'm talking about? Josh Axe? Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_03 19:35

Didn't also Mark didn't Mark Hyman have something like Hyman?

SPEAKER_01 19:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Didn't he also have something with C?

SPEAKER_01 19:42

He did but um Josh Axe had where he was almost paralyzed. He went to the clinic I'm talking about. Oh, okay. He got fixed. Really?

SPEAKER_04 19:49

Yeah so that he went back and did more sensitive.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Because of Rafael Gonzalez.

SPEAKER_04 19:53

Yeah. So Rafael's the man.

SPEAKER_01 19:55

Unlike a unlike his whatever you call it. But I just say she's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

I do think it's yeah, who, who, like last week.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

I I interviewed this woman um the other day. Oh my god, I can't remember her name. It's gonna kill me. I can't remember her name. But do you guys remember her name that was in here last week? Haley. Haley. Haley Palmore. Have you heard of her? She's got she so she's been in this, she was she was Robert Downey Jr.'s nutritionist, and she was on the set of Avengers and the Spider-Man, and she's got her own stuff. She was taking athletes and actors to Moscow 20 years ago for stem cells. And she said that this clinic, she also has been to the clinic I was talking about. She said this clinic is the best, most precise, most everything in the world, as she's saying. So it's something to think about. I want to connect you to the city.

SPEAKER_05 20:37

Oh, I was gonna say, please connect us because I like the amount of things I've done for gut health unspeakable. Like the amount of money spent, unspeakable. And I'm for the natural and for the like I want to do it in a very holistic way. It just, like you said, you know, like healing something that's been around for that long. Oh, yeah, if somebody was like, let's go grab some enchiladas, I'd be like, I could never look at me with this.

SPEAKER_01 20:59

It's unbelievable it's an unbelievable story. It truly is. And I watched it happen. Oh, when you guys talk about your product, you have locations, you have centers, people go to your centers, and how many are there? And where are they?

SPEAKER_04 21:10

Yes. So when I decided to start, so I got into brain mapping neurofeedback through a personal story. So I really struggled with my own mental health as a teenager. Um was arrested multiple times, uh very, very impulsive, reckless in my decision making, was making my parents' life an entire living hell, had tried talk therapy, didn't want to be on medication. So that's really how my parents ended up finding out about brain mapping and neural feedback. Um, I was I was actually diagnosed with bipolar disorder through a brain map, and that was very empowering information for us to actually understand the root cause of what was going on. And then I did a whole series of neural feedback at the end of it, second brain map, not one clinical pattern for bipolar. Coupled with that, I truly felt like for the first time ever, I was in control of my brain, like I was in. Driver's seat for the first time ever. And it was really what inspired me to get into this field. That being said, I did my neural feedback at a few different facilities. And so I was kind of like having a few different experiences. And I was very off-put by some of them from an actual like client standpoint. So I went into building Brain Code with this idea that if I could create an exceptional client experience along with incredible science when it comes to brainwave change, then we can help more people. And so because of that, we started in-person clinics in Denver, expanded to Dallas, expanded to Tulsa, Oklahoma, and then we created our remote platform actually like right during COVID. We used to have a vision of having, you know, centers all over the US, but honestly, I feel like we like doing it remotely because you are unlimited. You don't have to be, you know, concentrated to a time and a space or like a brick and mortar. And we have clients all over the entire world utilizing our remotes, mapping and neural feedback software.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Are your locations like franchises or they're no, they're just yours. So do you have to go to all these different markets all the time?

unknown 23:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 23:06

We sure do. Both of you go at the same time or together?

SPEAKER_05 23:08

Not at the same time. We're just yep, bopping around. So I live in Denver, so I go to our Denver offices. She lives in Tulsa. We both go to and from Dallas, so we're able to see all of them and love on all of them.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Have you met Sylvester Stallone? Tulsa King? You haven't seen him film that there?

SPEAKER_04 23:24

I have seen. So I heard that he filmed some of it in Oklahoma City. Like it wasn't even filmed in Tulsa. That's what I heard.

SPEAKER_01 23:30

Oh, probably. It's Hollywood. But I haven't seen him now. So when you said you were growing up and you were arrested several times, it was a fun story.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

Before doing Oh God.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

Get into that where it's where I was, and I look where I am. Oh yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:44

Share stories and I mean lots of like lots of drug and alcohol abuse. So drug and alcohol abuse leads to really poor decisions, right? Multiple DUIs. I have a handful of felonies, like stole a bunch of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

Um what age are you who this is happening?

SPEAKER_04 24:00

Like 15, 16, 17, 18.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

And that's wild. It was bad. Like you have mugshots?

SPEAKER_04 24:08

More than the one. It's bad. Wow. But listen, we we created a redemption story out of it. Right? That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

And if you knew her now, like she's so incredible. And just like, I mean, the company that she's created, she has two beautiful children and made like truly, so I didn't know her when she was 15. And when I even hear those stories, I'm like, what?

SPEAKER_04 24:27

Right. I still am a I'm still am a rule breaker at heart. No question. But I I have now choice in that. So I know when I should break a rule and when I should probably control myself.

SPEAKER_01 24:36

How long have you been married? Five years. And did your husband know any of this when you're dating?

SPEAKER_04 24:41

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:41

Yeah. Yeah. But have you ever in the five years bipolar came out? Or no?

unknown 24:46

No.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

No. Is he in this line of work as well?

SPEAKER_04 24:49

That's a funny question. Um, he is not. So my husband has a really interesting story. He basically ran like the largest fertilizer company in the world and was working with Russian oligarchs, so that made life fun. He traveled like 200 days a year when we first met. And then he kind of finished up his contract, sees a lot of potential in Brain Code and has incredible business acumen. So honestly, he's our uh free help. He reminds us. He's the best volunteer. But the best, the best volunteer ever.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

So where's he from?

SPEAKER_04 25:21

He's from St. Louis originally.

unknown 25:23

Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

So has he done the br he's done it?

SPEAKER_04 25:26

He he needs to do more.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Uh, but he's we all need to do more.

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SPEAKER_01 25:31

When you guys are fighting, go put the brain through, go put this thing on my own. I thought I probably should try that. Shout out, Don. Can we try it? Can we try this? Like uh put it on me. How how do you do it? How simple is it?

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Do so yeah, as far as like listen, I'll throw that cap on right now.

SPEAKER_05 25:48

I'm just gonna dip out from this.

SPEAKER_04 25:49

Yeah, we could totally do that.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

I got it ready before, so let me I feel like you have a pretty big head.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

I have a huge head. I have I have to have uh 2x baseball. Oh, you put it on me, I have 2x baseball caps.

SPEAKER_05 26:03

Oh, we're we're throwing it on, but yeah. You can put it on me or put it on you. I'm putting it on you.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:08

I'm trying to remember which one's large why I can't remember these colors. Why does it seem large?

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Is this something like uh I wonder if you could put it on Blake eventually if you get a hundred percent sleep score? Which hey, which app do you guys like? Which what do you think is the best sleep tracking device?

SPEAKER_05 26:32

It's the Aura. We like Aura.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Okay, but you were you wear the Aura 24-7, right?

SPEAKER_05 26:36

I wear 24-7, but I have done the Apple Watch. Even the Whoop, like the Aura is still like I had a guy, I had a private client who used a whoop, and he would get these really high sleep scores, but he would he would have like four hours of sleep, and they're like, it was still green, and it just didn't, it didn't make sense. I'm like, that is not enough sleep. So, yes, the quality of sleep that he was getting in those four hours was good. He still shouldn't have had a high sleep score because it wasn't, it's just not enough. So there were yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

But the aura, what if you like I wear the aura just at night? I don't like to wear it all day because you're supposed to wear it on this finger, one of these other fingers, right?

SPEAKER_05 27:10

I wear it in the middle, and mine is just beat to heck because I wear it when I lift. I never take it off.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

I can't, it hurts when I lift. I don't like it.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

It also hurts when I lift, but I just push through the pain at the end.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

But then have you tried the sleep eight mattress yet?

SPEAKER_04 27:22

No, but I've actually heard really great things about it. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 27:25

I'm a little obsessed with it. Yeah, she says the greatest thing I've heard.

SPEAKER_04 27:28

I've heard really good things.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

One of the great things about it is that you can put both sides, you can each have your own control. Yes. So I can have mine exactly how I want.

SPEAKER_05 27:39

But do you feel like so? Is it like a temperature control thing?

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

So actually, Sam, I just spoke on a podcast and they had that sleep mattress or the cover or whatever, and she said, it's the best thing ever. She was like, order it, buy it, it's the best thing ever. I was like, What?

SPEAKER_00 27:53

Every penny. And when you're out of town, you're so bummed.

unknown 27:55

You want it?

SPEAKER_05 27:56

That's that's exactly what she said. She said, I can't wait to get back. I wish I could travel with her. FP1. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 28:02

Once you have like all your stuff, I'm the most high maintenance. I have like, do you guys have you guys heard of a nod pod?

SPEAKER_01 28:09

No.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

It's a weighted sleep mask. I have to have it with me 24-7. It's so, it's like my it's like my, what's it called? The little teddy security blanket. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

It is absolutely it goes over your eyes?

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

Well, it's like weighted a little bit. Um I use a weighted blanket. If you saw the two of us in a hotel room going to sleep, I just like earplugs, this temperature, we're covering up every light. It's out of place.

SPEAKER_04 28:33

I call and I'm like, can you bring up some extra pillows so I can just like myself team pillows around us?

SPEAKER_05 28:38

It's unspeakable. I how do we ever sleep?

SPEAKER_01 28:40

I also have sleep apnea. So I have a CPAP. I have a CPAP, I put earplugs in. I wear a mask. I wear a mask so it doesn't mark my face, even though it still does. I'm a disaster.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

So have you ever looked at airway health then? No, what's that? See, that's what I would do if I were you if you have sleep apnea. It's airway health. So usually do you have a and you have a sleep app machine though?

SPEAKER_05 29:00

Also thinking this was gonna look good.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

I don't remember Phil Heap looking like this. Order of operation.

SPEAKER_05 29:07

I can't see because I'm not on that side. So, Rach, I feel like it's like nope, it's just on a little bracket.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

There we go.

SPEAKER_05 29:13

There we go.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

Well, this hasn't happened on the podcast before people. I'm gonna wear this, I gotta go to this event tonight. I'm gonna wear this in the event. Like this is perfect. I'll just add this to my routine.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Yeah, but this is where I don't have as any water in there.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

There's water right there.

SPEAKER_05 29:36

Usually we have a little spray thing, but I'm gonna say if I need to, I'll just like straight dump water on it. Actually, we're gonna need good connection. Really? Wait a second. I did for a second. Okay, so what I'm gonna have you do is kind of lean back. I want you to be kind of as relaxed as I want you to be as relaxed as relaxed as you can, kind of nice relaxed face, nice relaxed jaw. What we're doing now is I'm just making sure that the electrodes can kind of warm up to your head, which they're doing beautifully. What a gift for today, what a little treat. No, it's just because you're moving. I'll move it for you. There we go. All right, when I press start, which I'm gonna do here in a second, it's gonna give us a prompt, and all I want you to do is follow that prompt. The back one's being a little bit whack. And I, on my end, am going to pull up your raw brain waves that we're gonna look at on the back. I have those. Nice relaxed face, nice relaxed jaw. The only reason I say that is because anything else, fortunately, with this system, it actually stops recording if we don't have quality data, which is nice, so it's not gonna record a bunch of artifact, um, but it can take a minute. If people are moving around, if they have a lot of muscle tension, anything like that, it can just take longer. I mean, think about it. We actually take this much data, so we can use this much data. We don't need that much data to actually analyze, as ultimately with the brain map, I'm not only looking at what your brain is producing at this moment, I'm looking at the patterns that your brain has ingrained over the last 30 years. And you are doing absolutely fantastic. Sitting with eyes open. Here in a minute, it's gonna give you the prompt to go eyes closed. And when you go eyes closed, I want you just to pick a spot right behind your eyelids that you're kind of staring at, as our eyes naturally want to dart around a little bit underneath our eyelids.

SPEAKER_04 31:40

That's it. Can I talk to you? Yes. I know, that was a lot of pressure. You did great. Do you want to keep that thing on just for the views? It's not that comfortable, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05 31:52

It's like literally cutting off the face.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

I have a very giant head and you can at least.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

You should let me take one to with you forward. It's so funny. Yeah, it does, right? Here you go with the and wait, the lighting's really bad. Oh wait, that's not actually nice.

SPEAKER_05 32:12

It's always for the selfies, it's always for the text. You can if you want to unhook the bottom, but I am gonna leave it on, because why not? No, I'm gonna leave it on. It looks so good.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

Well, what's this? So I was just gonna show you. That's obviously the baseline that gives us what's going on, and then that's the narrow feedback. So that might have been what you saw Phil using. I think he was doing more of a session. So he was actually doing the brain training.

SPEAKER_05 32:34

So you don't have to put that on every single time. That's just so we can collect all of the data as it's a little bit different technology to do a map versus the training is the actual band.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

So, what did that tell you? Everything you saw, what did it what did it tell you about me and my brain?

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SPEAKER_05 32:49

So obviously Superman perfection. I'm looking at raw wave activity, right? Which basically brain waves look like a ton of little squiggly lines. And the way in which we analyze brain waves is through the lens, analyze brainwave data is through the lens of brain waves, as all humans are capable of producing the same brain waves. We have delta, which are deep, slow, restorative, relaxation sleep waves. So if or when you're in the best part of sleep, the brain produces super slow moving delta. Theta is kind of a drifting into sleep, not fully asleep, not fully awake. Alpha is a receptor that kind of helps move the brain around. It pushes the brain up into the fast, moves it down into the slow, like a gear shifter in a car. Beta should be clean, focused, flow state, motivational energy. Too much and we're overstimulated, too little and we're undermotivated. And then high beta is fight or flight, anxiety, irritability, defense mechanisms, hypervigilance. It's a very physiologically uncomfortable place for us to be, and also a very common thing that our society deals with. So essentially, what I'm gonna do is take all of that data and we basically break it down, right? We're gonna take out any muscle tension, eye blinks, anything that's not true brainwave activity. Fortunately, our system actually does a lot of that to begin with. So it's not even recording unless we have a certain level of, you know, excellent brainwave quality. Um, but we'll run it through a couple of systems and then we put it into a very readable and very understandable like brain map report and then go over that with clients. At least initially, right, as I'm sitting there, you know, kind of looking at brainwave data, it looks like you have a relatively like high amount of fast wave activity in your brain, even with eyes closed. So that tells me that your brain's probably kind of busy a lot of the time, right? Harder time, you know, kind of shutting off, maybe a lot of like ideas, you know, things just kind of running all of the time. Um, I know you said you have sleep apnea. Um, is it obstructive sleep apnea?

unknown 34:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

So I wear the CPAP at night.

SPEAKER_05 34:42

For sure. So obstructive's obviously, obviously a little bit different. I work with a lot of people who have insomnia who have a very hard time shutting their brain off, right? They go to go to sleep at night and their brain is like, I'm gonna solve the world's problems at, you know, 10 o'clock at night. And it's like, no, I need you to, you know, kind of down regulate. At least from what I'm looking at, it looks like your brain is pretty upregulated.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Oh, wow, interesting. Yeah, I do this thing that uh do you guys like Huberman? Do you watch yeah? I saw the thing where he said, when you can't sleep, yeah, take your eyes and spin them around and then do that. So I've been doing that every night so far, and I feel like it's a lot of people. Lights out. Do you guys do this? Wouldn't this be great for the military? Like, have you pitched them or have you talked to them, or is that no-brainer already?

SPEAKER_04 35:20

Well, we definitely just serve a lot of military, ex-military, like I said, first responders. It's a very huge population that we serve. Um, so whether it's you know, trauma or sleep or just brain regulation, you know, they they're coming in with all sorts of different goals, but absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

So is this something like maybe you already answered this, but sometimes it takes me, I have to hear things a couple times. So I do this and then I would do it again tomorrow. This thing we see the thing we just did, except I wouldn't have the laptop. I would just put this on. I'd probably have the app and listen to the app, right?

SPEAKER_05 35:50

So no, this we do one time, right? And if you're if you're not local, right, I put it on you. But if you're not local, we I would have shipped this to you. We get on a Zoom, you put the cap on, I tell you where to put everything, and then we, you know, you press play and we collect the data together, even though I'm not physically with you. And then I actually have you ship that cap back. And then this is the cap. I don't know if you want to hold that up, Rach. Um, the actual, like, yep, this band. So that's what you keep at home. That's gonna be connected to your app. So for normal sessions, you would put this guy on, right? And it's very similar to the cap that you have on. It has a lot of little electrodes in it. Those are connected to your head, right? And then what we're picking up on the back end, like on the app, is all of the brainwave data that your brain is producing. Never is any stimulus going into your brain, right? The cap that you have on that headset has no ability to put stim in. It's only picking up information. And then the feedback loop of neurofeedback is the electrodes pick it up, it goes into the software and then gets fed back to you through visual and auditory reward.

SPEAKER_01 36:52

So fascinating. It's just absolutely fascinating.

SPEAKER_05 36:55

I mean, we're biased, but it's the coolest.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

It is so how do people find you? Like, not just your Instagram. Like, how do if you're watching this podcast and you want to look fashionably hip like me, like how do you what do you do? How do they get away with the guys?

SPEAKER_04 37:07

We're really passionate about education, truly. Because to your point, like not many people even know that you can change your brain and you can train it. And there's ways that you can actually create neuroplasticity. So we're really, really, really passionate about just helping other people find education and inspiration. So we're always gonna do um complimentary consultations, like let us just talk to you, let us hear about what's going on. Um, so we can always schedule those, just braincoatcenters.com, Instagram, of course. Um, but those are kind of the main two ways people do social media.

SPEAKER_01 37:36

Those two ways, okay. Yeah. Do you guys have do you guys do your own social media? Do you have people do it?

SPEAKER_04 37:40

Golly, I'm trying to find someone. Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:42

So Rachel.

SPEAKER_04 37:42

Anybody's behind social.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

How many people are in your staff?

SPEAKER_04 37:47

60.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

Isn't that wild? It's are your parents still around? Yes, they are.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

Are they just the gosh?

SPEAKER_04 37:54

Honestly, my parents are probably they're the sweetest. They refer the most people to us ever. It's incredible. They're like, you need neurofeedback and you need neurofeedback. And somehow they always refer to us like the craziest people. They've done it.

SPEAKER_05 38:06

Um, but no, there's they're so I mean, Rachel is walking, talking, breathing proof that neurofeedback can literally transform lives. So they have seen that first hand, right? They had a kid who was going to be dead or in jail by 21. And neurofeet, yeah. So they they refer everybody.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Do you have brothers and sisters?

SPEAKER_05 38:25

I have a younger brother.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

I mean, they just must be beside themselves, I think. Or, you know, like like I feel like way about my parents. My parents, my mom said one time, not there's anything wrong with this, but she thought that maybe I was gonna pump gas. Right?

SPEAKER_04 38:36

Thanks, Mom.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Yeah, I know.

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SPEAKER_04 38:37

You're like, look at me now, mom. Yeah, no, it is it is cool though, getting to give back to your family that was like ride or die, had your back, supportive, even through your absolute worst of times. And so I do believe now, like I'm able to take care of my family the way that they deserve just for believing in me, truly.

SPEAKER_01 38:52

That's incredible. I yes, yes, you in the back. Do you want to say it up here? Do you want to sit right here so you can ask questions on the microphone so we can hear it? It's my wife, Blake.

SPEAKER_05 39:02

Bring her in. Bring her in.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Female energy, let's go.

SPEAKER_00 39:09

Good night. Okay. So I wanted to know, do you guys help with chronic pain through brain mapping? Because I I've had um since July of 2024, I've had like this awful pain going down my leg. I've been to 19 providers, I've done so many things. And then I also have a neck issue. And both in both cases, surgeons are saying, oh, we'll do this kind of surgery or whatever. And I'm like, no, no.

SPEAKER_01 39:39

Because they can't find the problem.

SPEAKER_00 39:41

Can't find the problem. So um I teased him because he brought bought me this book that basically says that I have psychological problems. What book is it? And that what if I if I read this book, then I wouldn't have the psychological problems anymore. That's not true. And it would fix what I have going on here, that it's a brain issue.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

Can I explain the book? So, are you guys familiar with a radio personality by the name of Howard Stern?

unknown 40:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

Howard Stern, 20-something years ago, I remember listening to him, and he had all these back problems. And I remember him talking about a doctor named Dr. Sarnau. And I don't know why it stuck with me, and how this doctor got rid of all of Howard's back problems, said, You don't ever have to have back surgery. And this is 20 years ago. It stuck with me. He goes, You need to listen to Dr. Sarnau. So she's having all this problem. So I went and I bought the book. And I said, Here's this book. I go, just read this book. She's like, No, I just read this book. I didn't know what was in the book. So in the book, I think essentially it says that a lot of the problems are psychological or trauma or something like that. So she took that as that I'm telling her she's got psychological problems. She's like, What did you have me read?

SPEAKER_02 40:48

I know my wife is happening here.

SPEAKER_01 40:51

I'm trying to do everything I can because nothing's working. Doctors are like, let's just go in there and cut and see what we can see.

SPEAKER_05 40:57

Yeah, we'll we'll let you know once we're, you know, half, you know, half a foot deep. No way. So, oh, you go.

SPEAKER_04 41:03

I was gonna say, we're girls, girls. So I would like have your back all day long. However, what that book probably was speaking about, right, is chronic pain sometimes is perceived pain that has become now a memory pathway that's been ingrained neurologically. So it doesn't mean you're not having the pain, but it's more of a memory now that your brain is looping over and over and over again, which is why something like ibuprofen or something works, right? Or Tylenol works. It's just blocking that pain receptor in the brain. So we have worked with so many people that have come to us. They're like, my doctors can't find anything. I mean, literally, I've been to the best of the best. There's nothing. They say it's, you know, just chronic pain and it's in my head. Um, and we've been able to break up, it's just different patterns. You kind of break up that same pathway in the brain and you teach the brain to create a new pathway instead. So, short answer yes, neurofeedback can absolutely help. It's also really interesting. There's a different distribution of brain waves for perceived pain versus actual pain. So you can see it on an EEG, whether it really is like a brain perception versus something maybe like nerve damage that needs to be addressed. Um, so yes, I believe that we can help be good job giving her the book, but also maybe I feel like that's always coupled. The other thing though, too, to your point on trauma, we always talk about the body keeps the score. And that is very much so like in our cellular health, like traumas, things that we've been carrying on to for a really long time. Like that gets stored in our body and it can manifest itself in so many different ways that impacts our health. So I feel like again, she's probably thinking the same thing. I would always love to see a brain map. Let's see what's going on first. Let's look at different pain areas in the brain, different pain receptors, learn a little bit more about what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 42:46

And you could do that, like if she puts that on, you could see, oh yeah, there's trauma right here.

SPEAKER_04 42:50

We can see patterns of trauma. Yes. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

And what, like if that was me, you could have seen that I had trauma in that one session.

SPEAKER_05 42:57

I would want to analyze it. But yes, so the data that I just collected, absolutely, I would just analyze it and look at it more deeply, obviously, just like glancing at it, um, run it through systems and then, but yeah, absolutely. And when we do map reviews, like Rachel said, we're really big into education. I'll ask questions, right? That, you know, if I see a specific pattern, I'm like, hey, I see a pattern for what I perceive to be early developmental trauma. Like, does that resonate with you? And, you know, 99% of the time, people are like, well, yeah, you know, I had an alcoholic parent, you know, we moved around too much, I was adopted. Like just, you know, the slew of things kind of come out. Now, does that mean every single person who has that pattern had that exact thing? Not necessarily. That's why it's more, you know, kind of a question-asking, you know, situation as someone might not resonate with that.

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SPEAKER_04 43:39

There's also a very clear pattern when we'll just ask the question, like physical or sexual abuse, what happens, right? Essentially we're seeing it through the lens of dissociation. So if that happened to you as a very young child, your brain, all it can do, because physically you can't like defend yourself when you're younger, all All you can do as a kid in a vulnerable state is dissociate. And then that typically carries forward into adulthood. So there's a very clear pattern. And usually like we'll ask, and because it's an uncomfortable question to ask, right? And I mean every single time.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

When you're doing the and you can see the graphs, can you tell the graphs, oh, this happened 30 years ago, this happened a year ago?

SPEAKER_04 44:19

Not timestamps.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

So no, it's okay.

SPEAKER_04 44:21

With concussions, we can see a little bit more of like a general range, but like trauma, maybe a a little bit for trauma, like if there's no alpha or something like that, that's gonna be more developed when you're younger. Um so I'd say general five, 10, 15 years.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

She just had a hysterectomy like uh when in November because they couldn't fight and they found like fibroid tumors and stuff. So they thought maybe that was gonna fix all the pain because everything was being pushed around and stuff. For sure. Right?

SPEAKER_05 44:48

And that did not solve the pain.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

It didn't get rid of the pain, right?

SPEAKER_05 44:51

No. That is the hard thing, right? And there's like Western medicine is beautiful for what it's beautiful for, but you're absolutely right that I do meet a lot of people, right, who are who have chronic gut issues, right? So many tummy issues, all these things. And they're like, I've spent so much money and done so many things to fix this. And you know, the brain is your second gut, your gut is your second brain. So we really need to go to the source, which often is neurological.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

Yeah, interesting. Yeah, I mean, I had somebody tell me that I found this interesting that the my left side, it's all on my left side, and that's my feminine side. And so that's why they attributed it to maybe the hysterectomy because they found a bunch of scar tissue. And so I've been working on the fascia tissue and great, like all the things. But yeah, that's why I thought maybe I'm gonna ask you guys and see if you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_05 45:36

No, and it sounds like you're doing a lot of really good things.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Yeah, and the trauma thing is yeah, that's very too.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Can exercise help?

SPEAKER_04 45:44

I mean, I feel like exercise is are you saying for pain or for just people?

SPEAKER_01 45:47

For healing, like for like for her, exercise, like lift weights. Weight lift. Do you guys lift weights?

SPEAKER_05 45:53

A hundred percent. So the hard thing, right, is that you know, when we're talking about like pain, like a pain cycle or something. Do I think that exercise is gonna break up a pain cycle? No. I like I don't. Would you? I mean, I think that exercise is an incredible antidepressant, anti-anxiety. Sleep, I mean, I believe in exercise. I believe in lifting, I believe in all exercise. I love cardio, I love weightlifting, all the things. Do I think that that's gonna solve that one thing? I I don't think there's anything wrong with trying. Yeah, it just from what you're telling me, I don't think that lifting some weights is gonna solve that problem.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

So this could help, maybe?

SPEAKER_05 46:26

Yeah, possibly.

SPEAKER_04 46:27

But I like that I like that you're exploring kind of fascia and whatever you're storing like left side. That's I feel like you're directionally like going to the right people.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

She's even thinking about maybe uh experimenting a little with uh psychedelics.

SPEAKER_05 46:40

A little psilocybin. And that definitely there is some promising research on psilocybin, specifically with you know, like medication-resistant depression, trauma patterns, things like that, because it does open up those patterns. The hard thing about that is it's not super regulated. So when people are like, I microdose, what does that even mean? Are you take are you growing some mushies in your backyard and taking a little every bit every day? Like it What about stem cells? People get out of here.

SPEAKER_01 47:02

She's done them a couple times. We're going next week. Um, and she what are you getting next week?

SPEAKER_00 47:07

Well, I think they helped for uh for the hip issue, you know, to figure that out. But I'm gonna be doing some stuff in my shoulder and and that kind of stuff. So hopefully that'll relieve some of it. I mean, that's probably where I've had the most relief, but it's been diagnosed incorrectly, I think. But because I've had so many different opinions. It's crazy. It's really crazy.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Are you guys familiar with NK cells, natural killer cells? That's a game changer, too. But they're called so we are all born with these NK cells, these natural killer cells. And as you get older, they become zombie cells or senescent, they're just they're just nothing. So this clinic, Raphael, he does this thing where he they take like 26 vials of your blood and they wake up and they expand your st your NK cells. So NK cells, they have video of it, it's fascinating of like cancer. Right. And these NK cells come in like Pac-Man and just eat it. That's why it's and so for me, um, we did a couple years ago, they got four billion, they end up getting four billion in K cells. They put two billion back inside me, just ate whatever's not supposed to be there. I'm going next week to get the other two billion in. And it's if you Google it and watch the videos, it's fascinating.

SPEAKER_05 48:16

What did you experience from that, like personally? Or do you just are you just like, I hope it's doing really good things, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

So my father, my father, my father died of a heart attack at 66. My mother died of brain cancer at 66. So, and I got we got three boys, so I and they're very active. So I was trying, I'm trying to do everything I can to be around. Yeah, and so I have now calcium in my heart, or lots of calcium, which my dad had. So I was kind of like, can this stuff help? So the NK cells, they say, can do all kinds of things. So I'm just I do a big old heart scan uh in a couple months just to get the update on it.

SPEAKER_03 48:48

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 48:49

Yeah, but you guys are awesome. Thank you for coming by on your vacation.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

So lovely meeting you're girls' weekend or is it just a vacation? Work for sure all day.

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SPEAKER_05 48:58

Now, because we love hanging out, we're always gonna make it a little bit girl time. Like, who better to travel with for work than your best friend? Yes, the coolest.

SPEAKER_00 49:07

And go get massages and chill out.

SPEAKER_05 49:10

We want to do all the things. I'm like, can we go get in your doctor's office? I'm like, can we go have like a little red light therapy sesh? Like, can we come and hang? That's our don't put us in a little wellness facility. We'll be there all day.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

I'll I'll send you the link. You should also go go get your plasma Carly for for what for face and hair. Yeah, oh yeah, they do all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 49:31

Send us everything, send us everything. We're here for it. Yeah, you guys are wonderful. Thank you so much for being just okay.

SPEAKER_01 49:43

So, welcome to our podcast. This is a little bit different today because this podcast is a spin-off of our radio show.